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It's quite astonishing how support for the Labour party has changed over the years.
No surprise that of the remaining candidates one is a knight of the realm and another has a double barrelled surname.
When I started work around the end of the seventies, Labour supporters were very recognisable as working class people in the main.
Now, just about everone I know that supports Labour is a waitrose shopping, middle class liberal.

The Tories are now the party of the working class.

Keir Hardie will be spinning in his grave, especially if Sir Keir wins...
 
It's quite astonishing how support for the Labour party has changed over the years.
No surprise that of the remaining candidates one is a knight of the realm and another has a double barrelled surname.
When I started work around the end of the seventies, Labour supporters were very recognisable as working class people in the main.
Now, just about everone I know that supports Labour is a waitrose shopping, middle class liberal.

The Tories are now the party of the working class.

The Tories are the party of the old.
 
Former Speaker John Bercow claimed £1,000 taxi fare
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Former Commons Speaker John Bercow spent £1,000 on a taxi fare and £12,000 on leaving parties for staff in the run-up to his retirement.

Mr Bercow, who stood down before the election, also spent £7,000 on a US visit in his final months in the job.

His expenses were obtained via a Daily Mail Freedom of Information request.

A Commons spokesman said the 260-mile round trip from London to Nottingham, in April, was made by taxi rather than train for security reasons.

Mr Bercow, who was accompanied by an aide, travelled to Nottingham to deliver a speech at the Political Studies Association annual conference.

The speech was about how Parliament should respond to the "anti-politics age" and what the Parliament of the future might look like.

The taxi is reported to have stayed in the city during the speech, which was followed by a drinks reception.

Mr Bercow had travelled from London to Nottingham by train in 2018, for a meeting of the UK Youth Parliament, at a cost of £70, according to earlier Freedom of Information disclosures.

"Due to heightened security concerns for the safety of MPs, Mr Bercow was advised it was safer for him to travel to Nottingham Trent University by taxi, rather than by train," said a Commons spokeswoman.

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In May 2019, Mr Bercow spent £7,000 on a visit to Washington DC, to deliver a speech on the "role of Parliament in today's Britain" to a think tank, a trip that also took in Virginia and Boston.

The former Speaker's expenses also included a £118-a-month Sky TV subscription for Speaker's House, the apartment within the Palace of Westminster where Mr Bercow lived with his family.

The biggest expense in the final months of Mr Bercow's nine-year tenure as Speaker was staff leaving parties.

The £12,000 bill included an invoice for £3,168 for a retirement party for Speaker's chaplain Rose Hudson-Wilkin.

Rather than retire, she became the Bishop of Dover.

Mr Bercow also spent £2,376 on a retirement party for the Commons invitations secretary in February, and a month later another £3,187 for a formal farewell to Clerk of the House David Natzler.

In May, the Speaker's official account spent £3,696 on giving the principal clerk of the Table Office a send-off.

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A Commons spokeswoman said: "The Speaker's Office has funded retirement receptions for senior staff many times in the past."

Before standing down on 31 October, Mr Bercow used his official account to settle a £234 drinks bill at a reception for the Panel of Chairs - MPs who help him oversee Parliamentary debates. He also spent £560 on lunch for his counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The Speaker is not subject to the same rules on expenses as other MPs, whose claims for food and drink are capped.

Mr Bercow has faced scrutiny over his expenses in previous years - in 2018, he spent £13,000 on an official visit to Canada and a similar amount in 2014 on a trip to Australia.

The former Speaker has signed up to a public speaking agency since retiring from the chair. He has also made a number of lucrative media appearances, including as a pundit for Sky News on general election night in December.

His successor as Speaker, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, has vowed to bring a "different style" to the job.
 
The Tories are the party of the old.
I’m afraid your very wrong, my daughter and several of her friends, all under 25 by the way, all voted for their local Tory candidates, the demographic is changing, Liebour is no longer the working classes party, they are now the liberal lefty elitist party, the Tories will always gain votes from the younger generation as more and more of them go against the hereditary voting patterns of their forefathers and they make their own minds up.
More and more of them are through education becoming middle class rather than working class as each generation betters itself and they begin to realise they don’t need the party that their parents and grandparents relied on to better their lot, they will begin to vote more and more for the party to continue bettering their lives as each generation becomes better off and richer.
Union membership has more than halved in the last generation as the elders of the liebour party, once staunch union folk die off, its called evolution old chap and unfortunately for themselves Labour haven’t evolved much from the what they were, and what they set out as at the turn of the last century, the leaders are all now millionaires and most have never had a job in their lives, they have become the party of
“Do as I say, not as I do”
They no longer represent the people that needed them all those years ago, they now just represent the Islington liberal left.
 
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I’m afraid your very wrong, my daughter and several of her friends, all under 25 by the way, all voted for their local Tory candidates, the demographic is changing, Liebour is no longer the working classes party, they are now the liberal lefty elitist party, the Tories will always gain votes from the younger generation as more and more of them go against the hereditary voting patterns of their forefathers and they make their own minds up.
More and more of them are through education becoming middle class rather than working class as each generation betters itself and they begin to realise they don’t need the party that their parents and grandparents relied on to better their lot, they will begin to vote more and more for the party to continue bettering their lives as each generation becomes better off and richer.
Union membership has more than halved in the last generation as the elders of the liebour party, once staunch union folk die off, its called evolution old chap and unfortunately for themselves Labour haven’t evolved much from the what they were, and what they set out as at the turn of the last century, the leaders are all now millionaires and most have never had a job in their lives, they have become the party of
“Do as I say, not as I do”
They no longer represent the people that needed them all those years ago, they now just represent the Islington liberal left.

Not in my experience.

Check the voting demographics.
 
Boring.... is this post mortem still going on!
It's quite simple chaps
Labour were unelectable. Corbyn was unelectable. It doesn't matter what pigeon hole you try to put people in, people could see the options and the best option won....get over it. It's like Brexit! Some just cannot accept a result.
 
Boring.... is this post mortem still going on!
It's quite simple chaps
Labour were unelectable. Corbyn was unelectable. It doesn't matter what pigeon hole you try to put people in, people could see the options and the best option won....get over it. It's like Brexit! Some just cannot accept a result.

I can accept the result. It’s still dim of factory workers in ****hole towns to vote Tory.
 
I can accept the result. It’s still dim of factory workers in ****hole towns to vote Tory.
It wasn't just factory workers. I know plenty of teachers, businessmen and even NHS workers. It would be stupid and disrespectful to say a 'certain type' voted Tory. One of my closest mates is a life long Labour voter but voted Tory because he hated Jezza.
It really was an easy choice. Still laugh at all those who actually believed Corbyn would win. :emoticon-0110-tongu
 
It wasn't just factory workers. I know plenty of teachers, businessmen and even NHS workers. It would be stupid and disrespectful to say a 'certain type' voted Tory. One of my closest mates is a life long Labour voter but voted Tory because he hated Jezza.
It really was an easy choice. Still laugh at all those who actually believed Corbyn would win. :emoticon-0110-tongu

There was a clear disparity by age and level of education though.
 
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There was a clear disparity by age and level of education though.
You would never have wanted that idiot Corbyn to win. The bloke would have ruined this country. Fortunately the thick factory workers could see this and went for Boris
 
You would never have wanted that idiot Corbyn to win. The bloke would have ruined this country. Fortunately the thick factory workers could see this and went for Boris

Maybe. Just saying there was a very clear disparity in voting by age bracket and education. Col doesn’t like this for some reason.