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[Star of David Bardsley]

How has the Tory party been the natural home for racists and bigots for decades, Boris doesn’t make racist comments he makes stupid ones, secondly how is this attracting the far right.
Just because I voted leave and just because I believe in controlled immigration like Australia and Canada, how does this make me a racist bigot.
Just because I have swung my allegiance from Labour to conservative over Tony B.Liar and Gordon Browns recklessness and borrowing billions to take us into 2 illegal wars, how does this make me a racist bigot.
In all honesty Stroller I find that post a little offensive as by association you believe I’m a racist and a bigot and that my friend is as far from the truth as is possible to be.
My step daughter of over 25 years is married to a Turkish Muslim, we have 5 grand daughters all Muslims, I lived in Turkey for over 2 years, I go over as often as I can, My best man at my wedding over 25 years ago is my best friend, a Black man of Jamaican descent, I have many friends from many ethnic backgrounds , but by your definition because I voted Conservative, I’m a racist and bigot.
I would have expected better from the educated and honest man that you clearly are, please don’t let your disdain and hatred of the Tories manifest itself into a hatred of the people that vote for them.

It’s really unlike you to totally misread a post and paint yourself as the blubbering victim. I’m shocked.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

My memory isn't what it was.

That’s ok. I can’t remember what we were talking about.

 

[Stroller]

How has the Tory party been the natural home for racists and bigots for decades, Boris doesn’t make racist comments he makes stupid ones, secondly how is this attracting the far right.
Just because I voted leave and just because I believe in controlled immigration like Australia and Canada, how does this make me a racist bigot.
Just because I have swung my allegiance from Labour to conservative over Tony B.Liar and Gordon Browns recklessness and borrowing billions to take us into 2 illegal wars, how does this make me a racist bigot.
In all honesty Stroller I find that post a little offensive as by association you believe I’m a racist and a bigot and that my friend is as far from the truth as is possible to be.
My step daughter of over 25 years is married to a Turkish Muslim, we have 5 grand daughters all Muslims, I lived in Turkey for over 2 years, I go over as often as I can, My best man at my wedding over 25 years ago is my best friend, a Black man of Jamaican descent, I have many friends from many ethnic backgrounds , but by your definition because I voted Conservative, I’m a racist and bigot.
I would have expected better from the educated and honest man that you clearly are, please don’t let your disdain and hatred of the Tories manifest itself into a hatred of the people that vote for them.

I don't believe that your voting Tory or Leave makes you a racist or a bigot Turkish, and I'm sure you wouldn't consider me an anti-Semite or a Communist because I voted Labour. You've misconstrued my post, but I apologise for it nonetheless.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

I don't believe that your voting Tory or Leave makes you a racist or a bigot Turkish, and I'm sure you wouldn't consider me an anti-Semite or a Communist because I voted Labour. You've misconstrued my post, but I apologise for it nonetheless.

Merry Christmas.

No problem stroller, and no need to apologise,
A very Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and yours.
P.S.Hopefully what happens on the political thread page stays on the political thread page.

 

[Sooperhoop]

Wow, they're really going for it now, bringing in another loser to tell them how they lost. They should be asking their last winner but he's the Anti-Christ...

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[colognehornet]

Wow, they're really going for it now, bringing in another loser to tell them how they lost. They should be asking their last winner but he's the Anti-Christ...

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The only real 'loser' in this whole thing is democracy itself Sooper. We have just had an election where the impartiality of the media has come into question, where all opposition parties have been demonized, where campaigners were in constant danger on the streets. We have just given an absolute majority to a person, and a party, which tried to close down parliament illegally, which is being investigated for electoral bribery, which suppressed the publication of security reports until after the election, and which now wants to interfere with the independent nature of the judiciary. All of this based on a minority of the votes cast, in the most centralized political system in the Western World - where if you win Westminster there is no effective balance to this. The fault lines of so called British democracy have been highlighted appallingly over the last 4 years - though they have been there for longer. In fact there is good reason to suspect that the UK no longer qualifies the democratic conditions for EU membership - but Brexiteers would, presumably, not be bothered about that.

 

[Sooperhoop]

The only real 'loser' in this whole thing is democracy itself Sooper. We have just had an election where the impartiality of the media has come into question, where all opposition parties have been demonized, where campaigners were in constant danger on the streets. We have just given an absolute majority to a person, and a party, which tried to close down parliament illegally, which is being investigated for electoral bribery, which suppressed the publication of security reports until after the election, and which now wants to interfere with the independent nature of the judiciary. All of this based on a minority of the votes cast, in the most centralized political system in the Western World - where if you win Westminster there is no effective balance to this. The fault lines of so called British democracy have been highlighted appallingly over the last 4 years - though they have been there for longer. In fact there is good reason to suspect that the UK no longer qualifies the democratic conditions for EU membership - but Brexiteers would, presumably, not be bothered about that.

I think you're overplaying the big bad media card Hornet, whilst the newspaper count in readership was probably 70/30 Tory, social media was perhaps 80/20 or higher in favour of Labour and has a much bigger direct hit on the reader as well as the celebrity endorsements being virtually 100% Labour. TV was clearly more Labour biased.

From 2016 we have had the most embarrassing and inept government I can ever remember just at the time Labour, with an open goal, lurched to the Left with an agenda that was never going to convince the public it was a sensible alternative. As leaders Miliband and Corbyn just didn't come across as convincing enough, Labour have done this to themselves. I found myself with no party I could vote for and that from someone who always voted Labour for over 35 years until the past 3 elections. We need a Labour Party that is a proper viable alternative and Momentum's version will never strike the balance to gain a win. B-Liar found the winning formula but lost the plot. Something between the two with a leader who isn't Seamus Milne's glove puppet would stand a chance but I just can't see it happening this time round so 10 years of Boris is looking likely...

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I think you're overplaying the big bad media card Hornet, whilst the newspaper count in readership was probably 70/30 Tory, social media was perhaps 80/20 or higher in favour of Labour and has a much bigger direct hit on the reader as well as the celebrity endorsements being virtually 100% Labour. TV was clearly more Labour biased.

From 2016 we have had the most embarrassing and inept government I can ever remember just at the time Labour, with an open goal, lurched to the Left with an agenda that was never going to convince the public it was a sensible alternative. As leaders Miliband and Corbyn just didn't come across as convincing enough, Labour have done this to themselves. I found myself with no party I could vote for and that from someone who always voted Labour for over 35 years until the past 3 elections. We need a Labour Party that is a proper viable alternative and Momentum's version will never strike the balance to gain a win. B-Liar found the winning formula but lost the plot. Something between the two with a leader who isn't Seamus Milne's glove puppet would stand a chance but I just can't see it happening this time round so 10 years of Boris is looking likely...

Social media is whatever political leaning you want it to be. You can follow every ‘woke’ account or every account where the profile pic is a white guy named Ian with sunglasses who describes himself as a warrior for freedom of speech.

I can’t accept that TV was Labour bossed on the whole at all. Johnson just ran away from any outlet that might challenge him, cheered on for doing so by the usual suspects on here.

It’s only going to get harder for Labour as we’re an increasingly old and frankly selfish society (not that the two are necessarily related). Miliband got ripped apart for eating a sandwich a bit funny. I can’t see how any Labour leader will get a fair crack in this age of disinformation without accountability. The rulebook has been rewritten.

 

[rangercol]

That’s ok. I can’t remember what we were talking about.

Lol

 

[Sooperhoop]

Social media is whatever political leaning you want it to be. You can follow every ‘woke’ account or every account where the profile pic is a white guy named Ian with sunglasses who describes himself as a warrior for freedom of speech.

I can’t accept that TV was Labour bossed on the whole at all. Johnson just ran away from any outlet that might challenge him, cheered on for doing so by the usual suspects on here.

It’s only going to get harder for Labour as we’re an increasingly old and frankly selfish society (not that the two are necessarily related). Miliband got ripped apart for eating a sandwich a bit funny. I can’t see how any Labour leader will get a fair crack in this age of disinformation without accountability. The rulebook has been rewritten.

Labour has to accept that voters have twice rejected the 'Magic Money Tree' solution, if they aim to win they have to rein it in towards Soft Left, it's all very laudable to offer everything for nothing but it just doesn't add up. If they had just concentrated their major spending on 2 or 3 main targets that voters considered the most important I'm sure most people wouldn't have objected to 1 or 2p on oncome tax to pay for something that would really have made a difference. My missus was one of the WASPI women who would have got £20k+ but she wasn't tempted as obviously so many others weren't, that in itself tells you what voters really thought of their manifesto and also about perceived selfishness...

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

The only real 'loser' in this whole thing is democracy itself Sooper. We have just had an election where the impartiality of the media has come into question, where all opposition parties have been demonized, where campaigners were in constant danger on the streets. We have just given an absolute majority to a person, and a party, which tried to close down parliament illegally, which is being investigated for electoral bribery, which suppressed the publication of security reports until after the election, and which now wants to interfere with the independent nature of the judiciary. All of this based on a minority of the votes cast, in the most centralized political system in the Western World - where if you win Westminster there is no effective balance to this. The fault lines of so called British democracy have been highlighted appallingly over the last 4 years - though they have been there for longer. In fact there is good reason to suspect that the UK no longer qualifies the democratic conditions for EU membership - but Brexiteers would, presumably, not be bothered about that.

“The only real loser in this is democracy itself”
Absolute horseshit cologne.
Democracy was seen to be reinvigorated, in 2016 the people voted to leave the EU by a majority of 52% / 48%, in the general election of 2017 both major parties campaigned on a leave manifesto then promptly decided to frustrate and block the democratic will of the people Gained in a LEGALLY BINDING REFERENDUM,.
So,in this election the people spoke again and democratically voted for the only party and leader to promise to honour the referendum result of 2016, and for all your bluster about vote percentages etc the legal winner of the election under British constitutional law were the Tories under Boris Johnson, so suck it up buttercup accept the result of the “people’s vote “ you clamoured for and move on and stop being a sore loser.
And it’s irrelevant wether the U.K. qualifies to remain in the EU under their conditions for membership, because just in case you haven’t heard we’re leaving on January 31st.

 

[colognehornet]

“The only real loser in this is democracy itself”
Absolute horseshit cologne.
Democracy was seen to be reinvigorated, in 2016 the people voted to leave the EU by a majority of 52% / 48%, in the general election of 2017 both major parties campaigned on a leave manifesto then promptly decided to frustrate and block the democratic will of the people Gained in a LEGALLY BINDING REFERENDUM,.
So,in this election the people spoke again and democratically voted for the only party and leader to promise to honour the referendum result of 2016, and for all your bluster about vote percentages etc the legal winner of the election under British constitutional law were the Tories under Boris Johnson, so suck it up buttercup accept the result of the “people’s vote “ you clamoured for and move on and stop being a sore loser.
And it’s irrelevant wether the U.K. qualifies to remain in the EU under their conditions for membership, because just in case you haven’t heard we’re leaving on January 31st.

Firstly it was not a ''legally binding referendum'' but an indicative one.
Secondly at the last election the majority voted for 'remain' parties and so there is no mandate for Brexit.
Thirdly there is no British constitution and so it is meaningless to talk about ''British constitutional law''
And fourthly my name is not ''buttercup''. I realize that it is your manner to denigrate any poster who disagrees with you - this being, unfortunately, a general diease of the time and age.

 

[colognehornet]

“The only real loser in this is democracy itself”
Absolute horseshit cologne.
Democracy was seen to be reinvigorated, in 2016 the people voted to leave the EU by a majority of 52% / 48%, in the general election of 2017 both major parties campaigned on a leave manifesto then promptly decided to frustrate and block the democratic will of the people Gained in a LEGALLY BINDING REFERENDUM,.
So,in this election the people spoke again and democratically voted for the only party and leader to promise to honour the referendum result of 2016, and for all your bluster about vote percentages etc the legal winner of the election under British constitutional law were the Tories under Boris Johnson, so suck it up buttercup accept the result of the “people’s vote “ you clamoured for and move on and stop being a sore loser.
And it’s irrelevant wether the U.K. qualifies to remain in the EU under their conditions for membership, because just in case you haven’t heard we’re leaving on January 31st.

I should add point five - namely that you leaving only in name on January 31st. You will wake up on 1st February still subject to all EU. laws for an indefinite period - everything will still be the same, the only difference being that you will have become law takers, and no longer law makers. The hardest part is still to come.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I should add point five - namely that you leaving only in name on January 31st. You will wake up on 1st February still subject to all EU. laws for an indefinite period - everything will still be the same, the only difference being that you will have become law takers, and no longer law makers. The hardest part is still to come.

That doesn’t matter. People will have their street parties and celebrate their ‘win’. Nothing will be Brexit’s fault in the years to come.

 

[rangercol]

Firstly it was not a ''legally binding referendum'' but an indicative one.
Secondly at the last election the majority voted for 'remain' parties and so there is no mandate for Brexit.
Thirdly there is no British constitution and so it is meaningless to talk about ''British constitutional law''
And fourthly my name is not ''buttercup''. I realize that it is your manner to denigrate any poster who disagrees with you - this being, unfortunately, a general diease of the time and age.

I'm not going to denegrate you.
Suffice to say you're continuing to argue yesterday's arguments.

We need to move on.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

Firstly it was not a ''legally binding referendum'' but an indicative one.
Secondly at the last election the majority voted for 'remain' parties and so there is no mandate for Brexit.
Thirdly there is no British constitution and so it is meaningless to talk about ''British constitutional law''
And fourthly my name is not ''buttercup''. I realize that it is your manner to denigrate any poster who disagrees with you - this being, unfortunately, a general diease of the time and age.

You really don’t get it do you, how was it only an indicative referendum THE RESULT WAS PASSED INTO LAW, UK AND EU LAW.
The fact more people voted collectively for Remain parties is a fallacy and also irrelevant, in a democratic state which we are the votes were counted for each individual party not the Tories and everybody else combined, so unfortunate for you remainiac types I know but hey ho such is life.
Yes we have no constitutional law, but again unfortunately for the remainiac folk, we have parliamentary law and parliamentary custom.
And last but not least I apologise for calling you buttercup, I meant to say cry baby snowflake but couldn’t be arsed, and lastly the general disease of the age happens to be fools and idiots unable to accept they lost because the liberal snowflake brigade have in their stupidity outlawed losing in their warped world.
Have a Merry Brexmis, and a happy new life afterwards.

 

[colognehornet]

You really don’t get it do you, how was it only an indicative referendum THE RESUL5 WAS PASSED INTO LAW, UK AND EU LAW.
The fact more people voted collectively for Remain parties is a fallacy and also irrelevant, in a democratic state which we are the votes were counted for each individual party not the Tories and everybody else combined, so unfortunate for you remainiac types I know but hey ho such is life.
Yes we have no constitutional law, but again unfortunately for the remainiac folk, we have parliamentary law and parliamentary custom.
And last but not least I apologise for calling you buttercup, I meant to say cry baby snowflake but couldn’t be arsed, and lastly the general disease of the age happens to be fools and idiots unable to accept they lost because the liberal snowflake brigade have in their stupidity outlawed losing in their warped world.
Have a Merry Brexmis, and a happy new life afterwards.

I've got no intent in lowering myself to your level of debate - so, happy Christmas and that's it !

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

I've got no intent in lowering myself to your level of debate - so, happy Christmas and that's it !

Good I’m glad that you cannot rise to the occasion, so jog along and enjoy BREXMIS , I know I will

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Good I’m glad that you cannot rise to the occasion, so jog along and enjoy BREXMIS , I know I will

Sounds like a disease which is sadly appropriate.

 

[colognehornet]

Good I’m glad that you cannot rise to the occasion, so jog along and enjoy BREXMIS , I know I will

It's not a case of ' not rising to the occasion' just that I have better things to do so close to Xmas than debating with people who can't debate without hurling insults at anyone who doesn't agree with them. Learn to debate like an adult.