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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
You don't really understand any of this stuff that well do you, Ellers?
Well will see on the 13th Stroller. Let’s see how well you have called it to my “not understanding of this stuff”?
I hope all are around for the post-mortem? Although I see a few Glenn Millers happening.
 
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Yes, a failure on both sides, but as the declared anti-Brexit party the LibDems should have made the offer. The sad thing is that a Tory majority will be portrayed as a vindication of the referendum, when in reality it's anything but.

It's that damn electorate again, Strolls. It's never made sufficiently clear to them what they're voting for and the implications. If it were, we'd have had a 100% Remain vote and 650 Labour MPs by now.
 
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Nice tweet I read, relating to the life sentence given to the vile rapist, Joseph McCann:

"How can you get 33 life sentences and equate that to 30 years? What ‘life’ are they using as a reference, a goldfish?"
I bloody thought the same Goldie. 33 life sentences and he can be out in 30 years or under Labour 8yrs if he promises to not do it again and vote Labour.
Disgusting.
 
Revoking the Brexit referendum result is not a nice centrist policy, Bobby! It would lead to huge animosity

Possibly. But given the choice between Boris or corbyn id prefer big jugs swanson.

However I'm on holiday and wont be back in time to vote so obviously shows how much i care about voting. (Didn't get my postal registered in time)
 
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12 dec Cons win ( English notFrench meaning), “I want to break free” dream achieved, post closed. To be reopened only upon the occurrence of a title/cup won by QPR or a major treaty being signed....
 
Nice work BawJaws....

General election 2019: Boris Johnson criticised over reaction to sick boy image
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Boris Johnson has been criticised after initially refusing to look at a picture of a sick four-year-old boy who had to sleep on the floor of a Leeds hospital.

The picture in the Daily Mirror of Jack, who had suspected pneumonia, spurred complaints about NHS cuts.

An ITV reporter tried to show Mr Johnson the picture on his phone, but he refused to look, before taking the device and putting it in his pocket.

He later looked and returned the phone.

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Tried to show @BorisJohnson the picture of Jack Williment-Barr. The 4-year-old with suspected pneumonia forced to lie on a pile of coats on the floor of a Leeds hospital.

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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn tweeted: "He just doesn't care", while Independent Group for Change leader Anna Soubry called his actions "appalling".

Mr Johnson was asked by other reporters why he had not looked at the photo, but he did not answer the question directly, instead repeating Conservative pledges for the NHS and promising to rebuild "the whole of Leeds General Infirmary from top to bottom".

Health Secretary Matt Hancock later visited the hospital to speak to management about the case.

He said he was "horrified" by the incident involving Jack, adding: "It's not good enough and I have apologised."

But Mr Hancock would not comment on the PM's reaction, saying: "What people care about is what are we doing to improve care at Leeds General and across the NHS."

As he left, the health secretary was met by a group of protesters shouting at him.

The boy's mother has said she does not want her son's treatment being used as a "political football".

In a formal complaint to press regulator IPSO, she said she had initially given permission to two newspapers to use her son Jack's image but - after the story was widely reported across other news outlets - she now wanted to prevent any further publication of the picture or his details.

In her letter, she said the actions of the media were "causing significant distress" to Jack and his family.

Jack was taken into Leeds General Infirmary last week after being ill for six days, his mother told the Mirror.

His mother said he had been seen as soon as he arrived and given a bed and oxygen, but a few hours later the bed had to be given to another patient and Jack was left without one for more than four hours.

His mother said she then made a makeshift bed for her son with coats and took the picture.

She told the newspaper the doctors and nurses were "lovely people", but she was "angry at the lack of funding and the lack of beds", accusing the government of "failing our children".

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Image captionBoris Johnson was on the campaign trail when he was shown the picture of Jack
Dr Yvette Oade, chief medical officer at Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, said: "Our hospitals are extremely busy at the moment and we are very sorry that Jack's family had a long wait in our emergency department.

"We are extremely sorry that there were only chairs available in the treatment room, and no bed. This falls below our usual high standards, and for this we would like to sincerely apologise to Jack and his family."

ITV reporter Joe Pike was given an interview with Mr Johnson when he visited Grimsby on the campaign trail.

He asked the PM to look at the photo of Jack on his phone several times.

Mr Johnson said he had not seen the picture yet but refused to look at it while Mr Pike questioned him.

Eventually, he took Mr Pike's phone and put it in his pocket, saying: "If you don't mind, I'll give you an interview now."

'What's your response?'
Mr Pike said: "You refuse to look at the photo. You've taken my phone and put it in your pocket, prime minister.

"His mother says the NHS is in crisis. What's your response to that?"

Mr Johnson then removed the phone from his pocket and looked at the screen.

"It's a terrible, terrible photo, and I apologise, obviously, to the family, and all those who have terrible experiences in the NHS," he said.

"But what we are doing is supporting the NHS, and on the whole I think patients in the NHS have a much, much better experience than this poor kid has had.

"That's why we're making huge investments into the NHS, and we can only do it if we get Parliament going, if we unblock the current deadlock, and we move forward."

The PM then apologised to Mr Pike for taking his phone and returned it.

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Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth called refusing to look at the picture "a new low" for the PM, adding: "It's clear he could not care less.

"Don't give this disgrace of a man five more years of driving our NHS into the ground. Sick toddlers like Jack deserve so much better."

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson also said Mr Johnson would not look at the photo because "he simply does not care".

She tweeted: "He doesn't care about Jack. He doesn't care about anyone other than himself."

And the SNP's Westminster leader, Ian Blackford, called Mr Johnson "a man with no empathy and no moral compass".

He tweeted: "The picture of the young boy in Leeds is horrific. His unwillingness to even show remorse proves just how unfit he is to serve as prime minister."
 
what have all these bloody right wingers done to deserve such riches

Being the ex-President's daughter pays off: Hugo Chavez's ambassador daughter is Venezuela's richest woman
  • Diario las Americas claims that Maria Gabriela Chavez, 35, has $4.2billion in assets held in American and Andorran banks
  • Hugo Chavez famously declared 'being rich is bad' and during his lifetime railed against the wealthy for being lazy and gluttonous
  • Efforts to determine Chavez's wealth have been made before, without much luck
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The daughter of Hugo Chavez, the former president who once declared 'being rich is bad,' may be the wealthiest woman in Venezuela, according to evidence reportedly in the hands of Venezuelan media outlets.
Maria Gabriela Chavez, 35, the late president's second-oldest daughter, holds assets in American and Andorran banks totaling almost $4.2billion, Diario las Americas reports.
The figure would make Gabriela Chavez wealthier than media mogul Gustavo Cisneros, whom Forbes named the wealthiest Venezuelan earlier this year with $3.6billion in assets.
 
Nice work BawJaws....

General election 2019: Boris Johnson criticised over reaction to sick boy image
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Image captionJack waited for four hours in a room without a bed, despite being admitted under blue light to Leeds General Infirmary

Boris Johnson has been criticised after initially refusing to look at a picture of a sick four-year-old boy who had to sleep on the floor of a Leeds hospital.

The picture in the Daily Mirror of Jack, who had suspected pneumonia, spurred complaints about NHS cuts.

An ITV reporter tried to show Mr Johnson the picture on his phone, but he refused to look, before taking the device and putting it in his pocket.

He later looked and returned the phone.

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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn tweeted: "He just doesn't care", while Independent Group for Change leader Anna Soubry called his actions "appalling".

Mr Johnson was asked by other reporters why he had not looked at the photo, but he did not answer the question directly, instead repeating Conservative pledges for the NHS and promising to rebuild "the whole of Leeds General Infirmary from top to bottom".

Health Secretary Matt Hancock later visited the hospital to speak to management about the case.

He said he was "horrified" by the incident involving Jack, adding: "It's not good enough and I have apologised."

But Mr Hancock would not comment on the PM's reaction, saying: "What people care about is what are we doing to improve care at Leeds General and across the NHS."

As he left, the health secretary was met by a group of protesters shouting at him.

The boy's mother has said she does not want her son's treatment being used as a "political football".

In a formal complaint to press regulator IPSO, she said she had initially given permission to two newspapers to use her son Jack's image but - after the story was widely reported across other news outlets - she now wanted to prevent any further publication of the picture or his details.

In her letter, she said the actions of the media were "causing significant distress" to Jack and his family.

Jack was taken into Leeds General Infirmary last week after being ill for six days, his mother told the Mirror.

His mother said he had been seen as soon as he arrived and given a bed and oxygen, but a few hours later the bed had to be given to another patient and Jack was left without one for more than four hours.

His mother said she then made a makeshift bed for her son with coats and took the picture.

She told the newspaper the doctors and nurses were "lovely people", but she was "angry at the lack of funding and the lack of beds", accusing the government of "failing our children".

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Image copyrightPA MEDIA
Image captionBoris Johnson was on the campaign trail when he was shown the picture of Jack
Dr Yvette Oade, chief medical officer at Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust, said: "Our hospitals are extremely busy at the moment and we are very sorry that Jack's family had a long wait in our emergency department.

"We are extremely sorry that there were only chairs available in the treatment room, and no bed. This falls below our usual high standards, and for this we would like to sincerely apologise to Jack and his family."

ITV reporter Joe Pike was given an interview with Mr Johnson when he visited Grimsby on the campaign trail.

He asked the PM to look at the photo of Jack on his phone several times.

Mr Johnson said he had not seen the picture yet but refused to look at it while Mr Pike questioned him.

Eventually, he took Mr Pike's phone and put it in his pocket, saying: "If you don't mind, I'll give you an interview now."

'What's your response?'
Mr Pike said: "You refuse to look at the photo. You've taken my phone and put it in your pocket, prime minister.

"His mother says the NHS is in crisis. What's your response to that?"

Mr Johnson then removed the phone from his pocket and looked at the screen.

"It's a terrible, terrible photo, and I apologise, obviously, to the family, and all those who have terrible experiences in the NHS," he said.

"But what we are doing is supporting the NHS, and on the whole I think patients in the NHS have a much, much better experience than this poor kid has had.

"That's why we're making huge investments into the NHS, and we can only do it if we get Parliament going, if we unblock the current deadlock, and we move forward."

The PM then apologised to Mr Pike for taking his phone and returned it.

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Shadow health secretary Jon Ashworth called refusing to look at the picture "a new low" for the PM, adding: "It's clear he could not care less.

"Don't give this disgrace of a man five more years of driving our NHS into the ground. Sick toddlers like Jack deserve so much better."

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson also said Mr Johnson would not look at the photo because "he simply does not care".

She tweeted: "He doesn't care about Jack. He doesn't care about anyone other than himself."

And the SNP's Westminster leader, Ian Blackford, called Mr Johnson "a man with no empathy and no moral compass".

He tweeted: "The picture of the young boy in Leeds is horrific. His unwillingness to even show remorse proves just how unfit he is to serve as prime minister."

Hard to understand how anyone could vote for this lying, b*****, spewing out the crap that (judging by the bags under his eyes and his robotic speech) he's had written up for him, and been up all night trying to remember.
 
Hard to understand how anyone could vote for this lying, b*****, spewing out the crap that (judging by the bags under his eyes and his robotic speech) he's had written up for him, and been up all night trying to remember.
Better to vote for him than that terrorist loving, Britain hating Cnut comrade Jezzbollah and his band of *****ng champagne socialist halfwits, intent on bankrupting the country and turning it into just another failed socialist experiment.
F*ck momentum, f*ck Corbynski and f*ck Liebour.
 
Better to vote for him than that terrorist loving, Britain hating Cnut comrade Jezzbollah and his band of *****ng champagne socialist halfwits, intent on bankrupting the country and turning it into just another failed socialist experiment.
F*ck momentum, f*ck Corbynski and f*ck Liebour.

Remember to vote tactically to maximise your chances of keeping the Tories out. Cheers, mate.
 
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Australia will curb intelligence sharing with Britain if Jeremy Corbyn becomes PM, warns former envoy
  • Alexander Downer cited the Labour leader's 'hostility to western interests'
  • Ex-top diplomat in London said intelligence sharing would 'be wound back'
  • He also said sharing in Five Eyes agreement would be significantly decreased
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Australia will row back its security ties with Britain if Jeremy Corbyn becomes prime minister, the country's longest-serving foreign minister has warned in a bombshell general election intervention.
Alexander Downer, the recent high commissioner to London, predicted the Labour leader's 'hostility to western interests' would see Australian premier Scott Morrison curb intelligence sharing.
The former diplomat's extraordinary remarks will pour petrol on the tough foreign policy criticism which has engulfed Labour over the past few days of the campaign.
Asked at the National Press Club in Canberra the intelligence sharing implications of a Corbyn government, Mr Downer said: 'We would substantially wind it back.
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'I think we would be unwise to continue the intelligence sharing relationship with a Corbyn-led Britain of the kind we have today and have had under Gordon Brown and Tony Blair and so on over the years. I think that would have to change.'
In the past, Mr Corbyn has been slammed by rivals for saying he had invited 'his friends' from Hamas and Hezbollah - terrorist groups - into Parliament for roundtable talks.
Foreign policy has been front and centre of the election campaign so far, with Mr Corbyn facing hard questions over his commitment to the Trident nuclear deterrent.
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Foreign policy has been front and centre of the election campaign so far, with Mr Corbyn (pictured in Doncaster last night) facing hard questions over his commitment to the Trident nuclear deterrent
Shadow Foreign Secretary Emily Thornberry this week admitted she could not think of a single British military deployment that the Labour leader, a lifelong CND activist who condemned Nato for fuelling the Cold War, has backed.
She also suggested that Mr Corbyn would not act unilaterally on making the decision to deploy nuclear capabilities.
Struggling to justify the leader's position, Ms Thornberry told ITV's Good Morning Britain: 'I don't necessarily believe that it will be a decision that will be made by one individual, I suspect that the way that Jeremy makes decisions is that he takes advice and that we work collectively.
'I am not prepared to go in to whether we would use nuclear weapons or not, whether we would make a decision collectively to use nuclear weapons or not, in what circumstances
 
This is what a group of men (that we have on video) did to my neighbours wall trying to vandalise her vote Labour board. I found them in nearby pub & asked them to apologise & pay for damage. Arrogant & hostile, so police it is.pic.twitter.com/DnmBIon6jM
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if it fell over so easily they probably did the locals safety a favour