Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Woodyhoopleson]

Not disbelieving! - just wondering how they measured carbon dioxide levels for the planet 800,000 years ago.

I think they use ice core samples. They can measure back way further than 800,000 years, millions of years. I'm not disbelieving either, but for every article like Will's, there is another argument saying that CO2 levels have been massively higher in the past, as has temperature. Equally both have been much lower. Sometimes they correlate, sometimes they don't. CO2 is absorbed into the deep oceans during cooler periods and released into the atmosphere during warmer times. CO2 comprises 0.04% of earth's atmosphere, humans add 0.4% to that 0.04%.

The problem with climate change is that the debate is shut down and anyone who questions the narrative is labelled insane.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Boris laughed at last night when he mentioned truth and integrity

Partisan audience, split two ways. Corbyn was laughed at for refusing nine times to say whether he'd campaign for Leave or Remain in any new deal that he's confident he'll get from the EU.

He doesn't know, yet professes to be the calibre of man who'd be a leader on the world stage

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Bloody hell fair play to Farage tonight on QT. With the usual BBC planted audience he did really well.

He's a charismatic speaker, much more proficient than either Boris or Corbyn

 

[bobmid]

He's a charismatic speaker, much more proficient than either Boris or Corbyn

I have to agree with that also.
All true leavers should be voting for nigel and the brexit party! That's why you put the x in the box.

 

[Willhoops]

Partisan audience, split two ways. Corbyn was laughed at for refusing nine times to say whether he'd campaign for Leave or Remain in any new deal that he's confident he'll get from the EU.

He doesn't know, yet professes to be the calibre of man who'd be a leader on the world stage

To be honest I don't think either would be great on the world stage, outside America and maybe Russia Boris doesn't seem to have made many friends

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

To be honest I don't think either would be great on the world stage, outside America and maybe Russia Boris doesn't seem to have made many friends

He won over the EU leaders once they knew he wanted to avoid a no deal, and settled on deal. Understandably, they want to move on and are beginning to see him as a way forward. They don't want to renegotiate a totally new deal with Corbyn and find it's rejected by Parliament or the people at Corbyn's second referendum.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I have to agree with that also.
All true leavers should be voting for nigel and the brexit party! That's why you put the x in the box.

Nice try, Bob, but he's had the electoral rug pulled from under him. TBP are very low in the polls.

 

[Willhoops]

He won over the EU leaders once they knew he wanted to avoid a no deal, and settled on deal. Understandably, they want to move on and are beginning to see him as a way forward. They don't want to renegotiate a totally new deal with Corbyn and find it's rejected by Parliament or the people at Corbyn's second referendum.

That's your opinion, from the coverage I saw I had a differing take on it, not saying mine is right and yours is wrong, but neither of us know for sure

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

That's your opinion, from the coverage I saw I had a differing take on it, not saying mine is right and yours is wrong, but neither of us know for sure

Did you see the picture of that dinner, after the deal negotiations were concluded? They were lining up to pat him on the back! The relationship between EU leaders is a lot better with Boris, than it ever was with May.

Boris as a figurehead is quite reasonable, I think. Where he fails is in preparation, at times - like last night, when he had to read out his opening speech. But if he's just the figurehead and has competent people behind him, it would work imo

 

[bobmid]

Nice try, Bob, but he's had the electoral rug pulled from under him. TBP are very low in the polls.

I wasnt trying anything. Just stating that people who voted leave should be voting for the brexit party as they are the only party offering leave

 

[Willhoops]

Did you see the picture of that dinner, after the deal negotiations were concluded? They were lining up to pat him on the back! The relationship between EU leaders is a lot better with Boris, than it ever was with May.

Boris as a figurehead is quite reasonable, I think. Where he fails is in preparation, at times - like last night, when he had to read out his opening speech. But if he's just the figurehead and has competent people behind him, it would work imo

The Eu's stance on Brexit has been very consistent, if it was such a great deal why has it suddenly disappeared before it was properly scrutinised?? His deal is widely considered worse for the UK than Mays, not sure why that would be celebrated.

Boris lacks substance and the inability to discuss the finer details it's all well and good having a good team behind you, but as a leader you should have a better understanding and be able to add some depth, he just tries to waffle over things and throw slogans out there, it lacks credibility if I were in a meeting I would just be seriously frustrated and want to talk to someone who actually knew the discussion topic. He is also well known for telling a few too many lies and his work history has numerous incidents of serious incompetence.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I wasnt trying anything. Just stating that people who voted leave should be voting for the brexit party as they are the only party offering leave

They're the only party offering a no deal, which is not desirable

 

[bobmid]

They're the only party offering a no deal, which is not desirable

What was the deal mentioned on the ballot paper?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

The Eu's stance on Brexit has been very consistent, if it was such a great deal why has it suddenly disappeared before it was properly scrutinised?? His deal is widely considered worse for the UK than Mays, not sure why that would be celebrated.

Boris lacks substance and the inability to discuss the finer details it's all well and good having a good team behind you, but as a leader you should have a better understanding and be able to add some depth, he just tries to waffle over things and throw slogans out there, it lacks credibility if I were in a meeting I would just be seriously frustrated and want to talk to someone who actually knew the discussion topic. He is also well known for telling a few too many lies and his work history has numerous incidents of serious incompetence.

The reason Boris took his deal off the table and called a GE is that he had no control in a zombie parliament and the opposition parties were waiting to try to insert membership of the customs union and single market into it, which was not acceptable.

What incidents of Boris's serious incompetence are you thinking of?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

What was the deal mentioned on the ballot paper?

The ballot paper said leave the EU and Boris's deal delivers on that, and saves on jobs lost from a no deal

 

[Staines R's]

I have to agree with that also.
All true leavers should be voting for nigel and the brexit party! That's why you put the x in the box.

I disagree Bob. I voted leave but wouldn’t dream of voting for the Brexit Party.

 

[bobmid]

The ballot paper said leave the EU and Boris's deal delivers on that, and saves on jobs lost from a no deal

We dont know what Boris deal delivers as there is no impact assesment nor has it been scrutinised. Boris deal wasnt on the ballot paper to vote for. It is now though so a sensible option would be to offer that choice to the people.

 

[bobmid]

I disagree Bob. I voted leave but wouldn’t dream of voting for the Brexit Party.

My point is, nobody voted leave based on Theresa may being PM, Borisov being PM a deal by either of those 2. There seems to be a few versions of leave that were never covered in the referendum due to not existing.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

We dont know what Boris deal delivers as there is no impact assesment nor has it been scrutinised. Boris deal wasnt on the ballot paper to vote for. It is now though so a sensible option would be to offer that choice to the people.

Any impact assessment would most likely be wrong. Economic forecasting is notoriously unreliable. It wasn't long ago that financial experts were recommending we join the euro. Boris's deal represents a satisfactory platform on which we build thereafter, by agreeing a free trade with the EU and putting in similar arrangements with other countries around the world

 

[Staines R's]

My point is, nobody voted leave based on Theresa may being PM, Borisov being PM a deal by either of those 2. There seems to be a few versions of leave that were never covered in the referendum due to not existing.

That as may be mate, but still your original statement is wrong. Just ‘cos someone voted leave doesn’t mean that they should be voting for Farage.
Like myself, I would hope most on the Left who voted Leave would be voting in the GE on more than just one subject.....if not then they need to open their eyes to the wider picture.