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Corbyn confessed to having never got beyond the first page of reading Karl Marx - has he committed to the bloody overthrow of the regime, and the forcefull dictatorship of the proletariat ? No, he just apparently stands for a democratic election and wants to nationalize a few industries - hardly the forced collectivization of all the means of production and exchange as in Marx. But just keep on with the allusions to Marx - enough Sun readers will swallow it.
Corbyn's own shadow chancellor and the key designer of Labour Party policy described himself in 2013 as a Markist, did he not? I was taking him at his word.
In response to the question ''are you a Marxist'' McDonnell replied ''I believe there's a lot to learn from reading Kapital, yes of course there is, and that's been recommended not just by me but many others, mainstream economists as well''. Any thinking person in politics has a range of influences, and will read much material. I have also read Marx, together with Kropotkin and Antonio Gramsci but I am not a full disciple of any of them. I have also read the Koran without being a Muslim. Adolf Hitler had also been impressed by the writings of Karl Marx ! It means that one Labour leader claimed Marx as being one of his influences - this is a different thing from describing the party as Marxist. Corbyn himself never got past page one of his writings. There is also a World of difference between what Karl Marx wanted and what actually happened in the USSR (which was anything but Marxist).
No, he said "Look, I'm straight, I'm honest with people, I'm a Marxist."
Look it up! He's so open about it, I don't know why you're so sensitive
I'm a feminist. It doesn't make me a woman.
No, Strolls, you'd need an operation for that. But if you say you're a Marxist, I'd take you at your word
This is not a case of being sensitive - I suppose he has absorbed a great deal of Marx's ideas but he does not act on those ideas exclusively. I could be described as a Kropotkinist or a Marxist but that is theoretical - I do not act on those ideas 24 hours per day. If he starts to create revolutions then you can start to worry - but he is not the calibre of man that such a revolution would need. The Labour Party is a broad church and Corbyn likes it that way - there is still a Christian Socialist society within the Labour Party, but is the party as a whole a religious party ? Some of the contradictions really are amazing - apparently Corbyn is a Marxist and an anti Semite ? Rather forgetting the ethnic origins of Marx, and so many other Marxists.
Corbyn can follow Marxism and still take a misguided anti-semitic stance due to his Palestinian sympathies
Is Ellers trying his best to take on the role of the Christmas Pantomime villain ?
He’s doing a ****ing good job
Watch out.....he's behind you....
Does it follow that because he takes a sympathetic stance to Palestine that he is automatically anti semitic ? Would you suppress all criticism of the Israeli government through fear of being labelled anti semitic ?
There's a stack of evidence that he's, at least, turned a blind eye to the fierce antisemites in his party. And a number of Jewish people including MP's have resigned as a result. I expect this to be revisited in the coming weeks
strange that the media makes a huge deal about this whilst the islamaphobia in the Conservative party gets pretty much ignored
Have any Tory Muslim MP's resigned for Islamaphobia? Did any need police protection at the Tory Conference? Javid, a Muslim, is Home Secretary. There probably are some Islamaphobes among Tory grass roots but there's no comparison in scale with Labour problems
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49763550
https://www.businessinsider.com/bor...rvative-islamophobia-inquiry-2019-6?r=US&IR=T
it’s clearly a big problem especially when the pm himself has made inflammatory comments. Something Corbyn despite the smear campaign has never done.
Strange also that the media make a huge deal of the suspension of a Labour councillor for anti-semitism, when in fact she was herself Jewish and made a self depreciating joke that she later apologised for.
Why let the whole truth get in the way of a sensational story.
Johnson made critical comments about the face mask. Not Islam. A lot of moderate Muslims agree with him