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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
It wasnt fine lines as to whether it was unlawful. It was unanimous. It wasnt about remain or leave. And Jonathon Sumpton would have given bad advice then also! You're totally confused.
Do you believe that Boris prorogued parliment in order to prepare for her majesty speech?

If it was 'all perfectly normal and nothing to do with Brexit', why was legal advice required at all? Have previous progations needed legal advice? They lied to the Queen and lied to the country.
 
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Question here for you Bob, when parliament voted to trigger article 50 it states quite clearly in said article 50 that if
after 2 years of negotiations if no deal is agreed we leave on WTO terms, this was passed into Law, ours and the corrupt eu’s surely 600 assholes should be in court for breaking your beloved law that they have acted illegally/ unlawfully.
You cannot have it all your own way Bob, there is not one law for one and not for another, you stop being so gullible as well believing only your side of the argument.
This is not over, ring your glorious comrade Jezzbollah up and tell him you want a general election to decide who right or wrong, you might be surprised to find 65% of people think Boris is doing ok.
And extension was granted due to the Tories not being able to agree on how the uk should leave. If they had, we would be gone by now. Jeremy corbyn isnt my comrade mate. I think hes quite a weak leader. I have an average life with a disabled wife that the Tories have done everything to make even more difficult. I just hate the Tories. I'm not even a massive labour fan to be fair. I'm also not a fan of law as you aren't either otherwise you would accept what just happened in OUR system, not the EU's. You are a hypocrite mate, theres nothing wrong with that as its through confusion and believing propaganda hence my sympathy for you.
 
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It's just more of the Remain elite using privileged positions to push forward their agenda of stopping or emasculating Brexit imo. If Sumption says it's fine lines, I'll listen to him

Are you really saying that the unanimous Supreme Court judgment was based on a desire to stop Brexit?
 
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Do you believe that Boris prorogued parliment due to the queens speech?

No, but motivation did not come into the Supreme Court ruling. It said prorogation was unlawful because it prevented Parliament carrying out normal functions without justification. It was narrow, and a fine line, since an elected government has the right to prorogue Parliament. The unelected SC has moved into new territory.
 
No, but motivation did not come into the Supreme Court ruling. It said prorogation was unlawful because it prevented Parliament carrying out normal functions without justification. It was narrow, and a fine line, since an elected government has the right to prorogue Parliament. The unelected SC has moved into new territory.
Sweet jesus, but you insist that they were motivated by remaining. Cant have it both ways goldy. Maybe in your head you can though.
 
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The decision to prorogue has backfired spectacularly. Not just because it has been found to be unlawful, but because the opposition got wind of it in time to legislate against No Deal anyway.. Johnson is ****ed and there's no way he's going to get a GE until after Article 50 has been extended further. He should sack Cummings immediately. Rees-Mogg and Cox (whose advice has been mysteriously leaked) should go too.
I hope you right, but don't share your confidence, firstly about getting an extension, or secondly on the result of a GE, with a fragmented opposition with Labour officially bench sitting.
 
Yes, or water it down. If you listen to Sumption, Boris pushed conventions with the prorogation, and the SC pushed precedent by ruling it unlawful

Your Brexit paranoia is getting out of hand, Goldie. The judgment was an example of the checks and balances in our unwritten constitution working as they should. Johnson and co. lied to the Queen, lied to the country and tried to shut down parliament to force through No Deal. The court correctly said that this was unlawful. We live in a parliamentary democracy, the executive cannot be allowed to bypass parliament. The judges made a constitutional judgment, not a political one.
 
Your Brexit paranoia is getting out of hand, Goldie. The judgment was an example of the checks and balances in our unwritten constitution working as they should.. Johnson and co. lied to the Queen, lied to the country and tried to shut down parliament to force through No Deal. The court correctly said that this was unlawful. We live in a parliamentary democracy, the executive cannot be allowed to bypass parliament. The judges made a constitutional judgment, not a political one.

It's widely accepted there was a political element to the SC's decision, Strolls, and the Scottish Court. There is now a debate whether such powerful judges should be elected as they are in the US
 
It's not widely accepted Goldie, it's claimed (not even that widely really) by paranoid Brexiters.

If you're right, there'll be absolutely no inquest into judges controlling the Executive. I think there will be ramifications, possibly for the relatively newly created Supreme Court itself. But there we are, that's just my view. We'll see
 
It is my impression that the country is broadly split in three loose groups:

Those that voted Remain, will not accept the Referendum result and will stop at nothing to avoid leaving the EU.

Those that voted Remain but respect the outcome of the Referendum, accept that we must leave the EU as a consequence, but will not countenance a ‘no deal’ Brexit.

Those that voted Leave, would prefer a deal, but are prepared to leave without one.

Is there anybody on the thread that voted leave, but will not accept no deal... or has actually changed their minds altogether?
 
If you're right, there'll be absolutely no inquest into judges controlling the Executive. I think there will be ramifications, possibly for the relatively newly created Supreme Court itself. But there we are, that's just my view. We'll see

Judges don't control the executive, it's parliament's job to hold the executive to account. The only reason the courts got involved was because Johnson tried to bypass parliament.