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I thought we had this one sorted mate. Not voting is the most politically valid and honest thing to do if you want genuine change. The current **** pit is a brilliant demonstration of the farce of parliamentary democracy.

Yours

Jiminy Cricket.

I do agree but would rather spoil my paper. My 75 year old mum, love her, was a staunch remainer in the referendum but is now full on leave because she hates the idea of going against democracy. She spoilt her paper in the Euros and took great pride in telling everyone She will still vote labour if we have an election though!

 

[Staines R's]

I thought we had this one sorted mate. Not voting is the most politically valid and honest thing to do if you want genuine change. The current **** pit is a brilliant demonstration of the farce of parliamentary democracy.

Yours

Jiminy Cricket.

But then if we showed we were willing to make the effort NOT to vote then it makes it all the better.....

 

[sb_73]

But then if we showed we were willing to make the effort NOT to vote then it makes it all the better.....

You can do that with a brick.

 

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You can do that with a brick.

That's for the gig thread mate

 

[bobmid]

Remind me, Bob... Of the 16,141,241 voters than opted for Remain, exactly how many in time voted that way because they were in favour of: (a) remaining exactly as we are for ever, (b) adopting the Euro, (c) accepting greater EU expansion with perhaps the inclusion of Turkey, Albania. Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, (d) moving towards a European central army, (e) moving to a more economic or regional division of territory within the EU, thereby diminishing the role or identity of nation states, (f) moving to ever-greater political union, (g) implementing greater control over hats?

Me neither.

Reckon they just voted to remain mate.

 

[bobmid]

485 Remain, 156 Leave, 9 undeclared.

Interesting numbers. I wonder of the 156, who wanted a no deal brexit and who a deal brexit?

 

[sb_73]

Interesting numbers. I wonder of the 156, who wanted a no deal brexit and who a deal brexit?

We can dig this stuff over endlessly Bob, does it make a difference? They can’t agree and whoever the next prime minister is that will still be the case. The numbers, between and within parties, don’t add up.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Reckon they just voted to remain mate.

Spherical objects, Bob. You know as well as I do that there are opinions, aims and ambitions on both sides of the EU divide. My reckless and feckless imagination has me supposing there to be some that would have a United States of Yerp given half a chance. Let’s face it, this ain’t the common market the electorate voted for back in 1345 (or whenever it was). People get excited and missions creep.

Governments of both colours have repeatedly said in the recent past stuff like, “we would rather stay in the EU and reform it from within than leave”, which suggests to me that even Remainer parliamentarians don’t think the status quo is the nirvana it’s supposed to be, but there’s never been any meaningful reform because individual member states are largely powerless to effect change.

 

[bobmid]

We can dig this stuff over endlessly Bob, does it make a difference? They can’t agree and whoever the next prime minister is that will still be the case. The numbers, between and within parties, don’t add up.

Fair play

 

[bobmid]

Spherical objects, Bob. You know as well as I do that there are opinions, aims and ambitions on both sides of the EU divide. My reckless and feckless imagination has me supposing there to be some that would have a United States of Yerp given half a chance. Let’s face it, this ain’t the common market the electorate voted for back in 1345 (or whenever it was). People get excited and missions creep.

Governments of both colours have repeatedly said in the recent past stuff like, “we would rather stay in the EU and reform it from within than leave”, which suggests to me that even Remainer parliamentarians don’t think the status quo is the nirvana it’s supposed to be, but there’s never been any meaningful reform because individual member states are largely powerless to effect change.

Politics was never my strong point.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Politics was never my strong point.

You’re a good man, Bob. Stick with me; I’ll educate you.

 

[bobmid]

You’re a good man, Bob. Stick with me; I’ll educate you.

No offence uber, I'm beginning to think all politics is corrupt and above the law in some circumstances. People have the opinion that the EU is corrupt or describe it as a protection racket. I have the same feelings about my own country, infact every country is like it. As I said once before, we live in a society where failure gets rewarded for the higher class citizen.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

No offence uber, I'm beginning to think all politics is corrupt and above the law in some circumstances. People have the opinion that the EU is corrupt or describe it as a protection racket. I have the same feelings about my own country, infact every country is like it. As I said once before, we live in a society where failure gets rewarded for the higher class citizen.

No offence taken, matey-peeps. I’m inclined to agree with much of that sentiment. Sadly, I think in general we tend to get the politicians we deserve. You only need fool enough of the people enough of the time. Enough of the people are fooled into thinking that the choice put before us is the only choice, so seldom ever changes.

Then, occasionally, you get a burp and the electorate choose Brexit or make Trump president.

I think it was Mark Twain that said something to the effect that anybody seeking public office ought to be excluded from doing so on the strength of that ambition alone. I think he was broadly right.

Much of what politicians do is out of vanity and self-interest. I see little of any real benevolence across the whole spectrum.

 

[kiwiqpr]

Finally, a representative of the #transrace community in the EU.
It's been a long time coming.
Rachel Dolezal has paved the way for this to become a reality.

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[kiwiqpr]

Enough with the Nazi analogies. The Brexit Party is not 'fascist'

• Charlotte Gill

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Brexit party members turn their backs on the musicians during the European Anthem at the first session of the new Parliament at the European Parliament, in Strasbourg, France. Credit: REX
Brexit Derangement Syndrome has led to a total loss of perspective
Yesterday, while the EU anthem Ode to Joy played in the European Parliament in Strasbourg, the new Brexit Party MEPs protested by turning their backs on the music.
Make no mistake, this was an infantile rebellion that achieved little, beyond embarrassing Britain. But it certainly did not merit the apoplectic reaction it triggered on social media, as Remain-voting commentators revelled in the chance to deploy their favourite insult - “Nazi”.
Soon, a 1926 photograph of National Socialist deputies turning their backs on the speaker in the Reichstag was doing the rounds. Hardline Remainers encouraged their followers to draw parallels...

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[kiwiqpr]

tally ho
Jeremy backs the hunt: Tory contender ready to repeal ban
Defence secretary also vows to act on Northern Ireland abortion law
Kate Devlin, Chief Political Correspondent | Esther Webber, Red Box Reporter
July 4 2019, 12:00am, The Times

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Mr Hunt met Tony Rudgard, 96, a long-time party memmber, in Alton yesterdayDAN KITWOOD/GETTY IMAGES
The foxhunting ban should be repealed if there is a parliamentary majority in favour because it is “part of the countryside”, Jeremy Hunt has said.
The foreign secretary said that he wanted to reverse Tony Blair’s hunting legislation but that he could only do so after a general election producing a Conservative majority.
He told The Daily Telegraph: “I would [as] soon as there was a majority in parliament that would be likely to repeal the foxhunting ban then I would support a vote in parliament.”
Mr Hunt, who does not hunt himself, said: “I would vote to repeal the ban on foxhunting. It is part of the countryside. And we have to recognise that in terms of the balance of the countryside. It’s part…

 

[DT’s Socks]

Keep strong mate......

I am empowered Staines
We are all on the way to the next life
What’s important is what you do in the now

Do not hesitate as we are the lucky ones
Hence why I don’t take any fluff from anyone around me who bitches about stuff from a position of luxury we all find ourselves in Europe

Plenty of people don’t even get that choice on this planet

 

[DT’s Socks]

There is nobody else to blame but the brexiteers for brexit not being delivered. Forget how many voted, how many didnt. Leave won the vote but couldn't agree on what leave they wanted.......innit blood

They won’t be able to agree what to do post Brexit imo either

 

[rangercol]

Maybe, but I'm tired of hearing about the sainted 17.4 million as if they represent a majority of the population. They don't.

Not what I said though was it?

 

[rangercol]

Remind me, Bob... Of the 16,141,241 voters than opted for Remain, exactly how many in time voted that way because they were in favour of: (a) remaining exactly as we are for ever, (b) adopting the Euro, (c) accepting greater EU expansion with perhaps the inclusion of Turkey, Albania. Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, (d) moving towards a European central army, (e) moving to a more economic or regional division of territory within the EU, thereby diminishing the role or identity of nation states, (f) moving to ever-greater political union, (g) implementing greater control over hats?

Me neither.

Great post.