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[sb_73]

More or less than you care about whether we will finish 14th, 15th, 16th or 17th next year?

**** that, we are automatic promotion prospects.






In my head.

 

[bobmid]

We can give overseas aid. The question is whether you want the Brussels bureaucrats to spend the UK's money or the UK parliament. You may say it makes no difference to you - fair enough - to some it does

Makes no difference to me.

 

[Stroller]

Which opinion polls?

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[Steelmonkey]

**** that, we are automatic promotion prospects.






In my head.

I think you need to go for a lie down....

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

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Members aren't relevant here. It's voters that matter to Corbyn. More Working class Remain than Leave, but not much. I'd guess most of those Leave are up North. Support for a second referendum will send many of those to the Brexit Party.

Together with Middle Class Leave that's up to 28% of Corbyn's votes that could go.

It may be the right thing for Corbyn to do, given the leak to Lib Dems, but it may deprive him of this chance for government. Labour is becoming a party of the metropolitan elite

 

[DT’s Socks]

I'm constantly amazed at how far and how often people overstate the importance of the £39bn 'stick' that we hold. It's a nice card to have, sure, but in context, it's a relatively small amount. It's for a two-year period, and so is c.£20bn each year. The EU's annual budget is approx £150bn per annum, so we are talking roughly 13% of a budget for a fixed two year period. A challenge to go without? Yes. A huge challenge? Not really.

Let's put those figures in context. The UK's public sector net borrowing is c.£45bn per year. At the peak of the financial crisis, this was c.£150bn and it was deemed acceptable and necessary to borrow that amount for a short period of time (it quickly fell). I need to spend more time looking into the rules and regulations around whether there is anything prohibiting the EU from simply borrowing the £39bn over the next 5-year budget cycle, but as the EU budget is often in surplus, and unlike the UK doesn't have £1.78 trillion of net debt, I can't see why they would panic over the figure...

39bn is nowt to the EU they are ready and willing to just get rid of us. Then we shall see exactly how great Boris and Farage really are

Fur coat no knickers

The globals hold the power

 

[Sooperhoop]

No surprise Rory is eliminated after his lack-lustre performance last night...

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[Goldhawk-Road]

No surprise Rory is eliminated after his lack-lustre performance last night...

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Rumour is that the Party wanted to avoid his continual blue-on-blue adversarial approach.

Personally, I'm glad he's gone. He'd have had no more backbone dealing with the EU than Theresa May

 

[DT’s Socks]

FFS bet the blue sheep are lapping this up

It’s all a con
Looks to me that the toffs have eaten their little rebel. it’s all very smoke and mirrors

I expect we will have a small terror incident soon just to put the Javid sheep back in their pen.

The sheep like Boris the puppet he is funny
He makes them all happy
Stewart looked like he had found a hole in the fence hope the bloke jumps out and even joins a proper political party with ethics

 

[Frome-Ranger]

FFS bet the blue sheep are lapping this up

It’s all a con
Looks to me that the toffs have eaten their little rebel. it’s all very smoke and mirrors

I expect we will have a small terror incident soon just to put the Javid sheep back in their pen.

The sheep like Boris the puppet he is funny
He makes them all happy
Stewart looked like he had found a hole in the fence hope the bloke jumps out and even joins a proper political party with ethics

Yup that's about the size of it.

 

[Staines R's]

Members aren't relevant here. It's voters that matter to Corbyn. More Working class Remain than Leave, but not much. I'd guess most of those Leave are up North. Support for a second referendum will send many of those to the Brexit Party.

Together with Middle Class Leave that's up to 28% of Corbyn's votes that could go.

It may be the right thing for Corbyn to do, given the leak to Lib Dems, but it may deprive him of this chance for government. Labour is becoming a party of the metropolitan elite

If Corbyn gives in (as it seems he most probably will) I think the exciting vision myself and many others who returned back to Labour when he was elected as leader, is now but a pipe dream. Whereas what was promised was the possibility of a true Left Wing government, that actually gave a **** for normal, working class people has now become a party that is happy to pander to the ‘metropolitan elite’. The likes of Tony Benn and Bob Crow (vehement opponents to what the EU had become) would be turning in their graves.
Hopefully TUSC will be returning to action soon.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Stewart looked like he had found a hole in the fence hope the bloke jumps out and even joins a proper political party with ethics

He may have a gamble, sorry gambol, with Chukka

 

[Sooperhoop]

If Corbyn gives in (as it seems he most probably will) I think the exciting vision myself and many others who returned back to Labour when he was elected as leader, is now but a pipe dream. Whereas what was promised was the possibility of a true Left Wing government, that actually gave a **** for normal, working class people has now become a party that is happy to pander to the ‘metropolitan elite’. The likes of Tony Benn and Bob Crow (vehement opponents to what the EU had become) would be turning in their graves.
Hopefully TUSC will be returning to action soon.

Will Corbyn's indecision be final?...

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

If Corbyn gives in (as it seems he most probably will) I think the exciting vision myself and many others who returned back to Labour when he was elected as leader, is now but a pipe dream. Whereas what was promised was the possibility of a true Left Wing government, that actually gave a **** for normal, working class people has now become a party that is happy to pander to the ‘metropolitan elite’. The likes of Tony Benn and Bob Crow (vehement opponents to what the EU had become) would be turning in their graves.
Hopefully TUSC will be returning to action soon.

Yes, that's the sad thing, Stainsy, and the only thing I can say in Corbyn's defence, is he tried to fight against it, though for reasons mainly that he couldn't afford to lose the Leave vote.

It's hard to see where votes like yours go. A lot will go to the Brexit Party. Though tere's always a chance that Farage and Boris come to a non-competition arrangement in a GE.

 

[Staines R's]

Yes, that's the sad thing, Stainsy, and the only thing I can say in Corbyn's defence, is he tried to fight against it, though for reasons mainly that he couldn't afford to lose the Leave vote.

It's hard to see where votes like yours go. A lot will go to the Brexit Party. Though tere's always a chance that Farage and Boris come to a non-competition arrangement in a GE.

I think you’re correct, many of the northern, working class, ‘traditional’ Labour voters, will transfer their vote over to the Brexit Party (sadly).
I can only hope that some of them might just look a bit deeper and realise that Farage and his ilk are as much an enemy of the working class as Thatcher was before him.

Sad for me as I really thought our time had come.

 

[kiwiqpr]

As India now has a bigger economy than the UK's will they be sending some foreign aid back to help the poor

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I think you’re correct, many of the northern, working class, ‘traditional’ Labour voters, will transfer their vote over to the Brexit Party (sadly).
I can only hope that some of them might just look a bit deeper and realise that Farage and his ilk are as much an enemy of the working class as Thatcher was before him.

Sad for me as I really thought our time had come.

The silver lining for you is that once Brexit is done, there'll be a reckoning for all the parties and I'd bet a traditional working class party will appear in some guise or other

 

[Stroller]

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No surprise Rory is eliminated after his lack-lustre performance last night...

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A YouGov poll had him as the best performer in the debate. That was a poll of normal people though.

 

[Stroller]

I think you’re correct, many of the northern, working class, ‘traditional’ Labour voters, will transfer their vote over to the Brexit Party (sadly).
I can only hope that some of them might just look a bit deeper and realise that Farage and his ilk are as much an enemy of the working class as Thatcher was before him.

Sad for me as I really thought our time had come.

I am baffled as to how any 'traditional' Labour voter (for I am one) could vote for a far-right party like Farage's mob.

 

[sb_73]

Yes, that's the sad thing, Stainsy, and the only thing I can say in Corbyn's defence, is he tried to fight against it, though for reasons mainly that he couldn't afford to lose the Leave vote.

It's hard to see where votes like yours go. A lot will go to the Brexit Party. Though tere's always a chance that Farage and Boris come to a non-competition arrangement in a GE.

What Tories won’t put a candidate up against Brexit Party people? I find that hard to believe.