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Having just read about it I think his sentence is about 30 years too short.
Have you met Stainsey? You may wish to revise that judgement..
I imagine this is a real issue with all the frontline emergency services. I don’t think Ninesy reads this thread, but would be interested in his take. You see too much, too frequently. Seriously respect.
And don’t quit, I’ve paid for your training.
What would you change if, in an imaginary world where unicorns canter down the Goldhawk Road, you and your colleagues ran the local service, in, say, a worker owned and run collective? Might be fun to see how people who actually do the job would organise the service.
It’s on the BBC news site. On the basis that he illegally sold an unlicensed and potentially very dangerous so called medicine, putting people at risk as well as offering completely false hope to seriously ill people.
What's your view then Woody?
I had a quick look (albeit a Daily Mail article) and tend to agree with Stan. He pleaded guilty didn't he?
Of course the BBC will report as they do, and they may be right, but there may be another side to the story. Have you heard him interviewed?
The more I read about it, the more sickening it is. The original alleged science was appalling and has been denounced by all major scientific journals, and the pretend trial (no controls, no follow up, no actual science) retracted. This criminal, through a company with a scientific name, made this stuff (probably not even the useless crap you can still find marketed on Amazon and various websites) without a license, meaning that it wasn’t inspected. It was bottled in receptacles they bought from Wilkinson’s. The exact modern equivalent of the snake oil salesmen of the Wild West. Plus he laundered money. And stood to be leader of UKIP.
Bring back hanging.
No there isn’t another side to the story. What would the BBC get through reporting it in a biased way? It’s complete bollocks mate and the bloke is a hideous crook.
Tell you what though, buy some of the stuff off the Internet and inject yourself with it if you are feeling a bit peaky, and let us know how you get on. It might not be what it says on the bottle, might be blood products from anywhere, but your say so will be as valid as any research GcMAF has been subject to.
If there was a cure for cancer, HIV, autism and loads of other stuff as is claimed for this, do you not suspect that someone would have tested it properly, proven that it works and made a fortune selling it? Rather than leaving it to conmen?
Immuno oncology and precision oncology targeting specific gene mutations are real things, backed with hugely expensive research and development, prescribed by proper doctors who are experts in their field. None of them are cures, and none can be bought from some bloke with a garage in Milton Keynes.
I’m enjoying health day on the Politics Thread. It’s about my only area of even remotely plausible expertise.
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poor loves got sore shoulders
i hope no one gave up real medicine whilst on noakes's treatments
has he had the 10 million pounds taken off him
i hope no one gave up real medicine whilst on noakes's treatments
has he had the 10 million pounds taken off him
Have you met Stainsey? You may wish to revise that judgement..
I imagine this is a real issue with all the frontline emergency services. I don’t think Ninesy reads this thread, but would be interested in his take. You see too much, too frequently. Seriously respect.
And don’t quit, I’ve paid for your training.
What would you change if, in an imaginary world where unicorns canter down the Goldhawk Road, you and your colleagues ran the local service, in, say, a worker owned and run collective? Might be fun to see how people who actually do the job would organise the service.
Great question and got me thinking. The most obvious thing, for me anyway, would be pay. Personally for the responsibility that I have on my shoulders I feel we are massively underpaid.
One minute I might be helping do a birth, a few hours later I could be trying to keep someone from bleeding out from a stab wound, and then the next job could be a cardiac arrest.......I do all this for less than £2k a month and to be honest, I do struggle.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking it ‘cos I knew the pay was **** when I joined but yo did ask for my ‘unicorn’ dream
I can honestly there isn’t much more I would change, the people are great, hard working and look after each other and the support from management after traumatic jobs is brilliant (I’ve had back up calls the next morning from management after dealing with a nasty death to make sure I was feeling ok).
I ponder as to if I can think of anything else.
I reckon if all the paramedics did a shift less a week and devoted that shift to running the thing, or just talking about how it’s run, you would come up with a lot of changes. Not saying your management is bad at all, but if everyone involved in delivering the service knew what the overall budget was and what you are expected to deliver for it, and was responsible for making decisions on that basis, including how much people are paid it might feel very different (it will always be hugely stressful of course). But you need time to get involved in this side of things, and an income which is enough to stop you worrying about making ends meet. It’s impossible if you are up to your neck in the next call out.Great question and got me thinking. The most obvious thing, for me anyway, would be pay. Personally for the responsibility that I have on my shoulders I feel we are massively underpaid.
One minute I might be helping do a birth, a few hours later I could be trying to keep someone from bleeding out from a stab wound, and then the next job could be a cardiac arrest.......I do all this for less than £2k a month and to be honest, I do struggle.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking it ‘cos I knew the pay was **** when I joined but yo did ask for my ‘unicorn’ dream
I can honestly there isn’t much more I would change, the people are great, hard working and look after each other and the support from management after traumatic jobs is brilliant (I’ve had back up calls the next morning from management after dealing with a nasty death to make sure I was feeling ok).
I ponder as to if I can think of anything else.
You get where I’m going with this......
That wage is a disgrace mate. I’m ashamed.
For balance, I just looked up a pro-Noakes website and was struck by the suggestion that in 2009, he resolved to 'stop fighting the EU and attack cancer'. This man will truly take on any known scourge on humanity.
As I said mate, don’t get me wrong, I really ain’t complaining ‘cos I went in with my eyes open. But I hate having to think about doing overtime just to make ends meet ( as I’m now gonna have to do ‘cos my BA redundancy is now gone).
I am luckier than most as I’ve nearly paid my mortgage off (until the Mrs finds a bigger house) and am reasonably financially secure ‘cos I earned a shedload at BA, but I really don’t know how the youngsters at our place cope with it all.
Are there many people like you on their second or third career with a genuine vocation doing the job mate? It’s brilliant that people like you want to do it, but (forgive me) it’s not really a sustainable system if the profession depends on people burning capital from a previous life to do something they find value in.
From what I've read, he pleaded guilty to the charges of production and supply, because yes, he didn't go down the established path of inspection, the judge quoted reckless disregard for the regulatory regime but said it wasn't the product that was on trial.
The BBC claim he made millions and spent 1 million on plane rides, he says the company made 7 million over 7 years, he took a salary of 60k and paid for a moderate staff. He refers to the billions made by big pharma.
The BBC report him targeting vulnerable people with a potentially dangerous product, he claims to have positively treated 8,000 people, including some cases of curing advanced cancers with a product that has never harmed anyone.
I imagine the truth lies somewhere in between. I doubt an accurate assessment can be made based on the BBC alone, and I'm sure his impending extradition to France is making him behave desperately. They go to town on him, as though he has poisoned and killed people, helping people to form the view of a callous scumbag, robbing the sick with one last hope, but I've not read of any accusations that his product has hurt anyone, nor are there any references to the people he claims to have helped, except one supporter who reports dramatic improvements to his previously weak, allergy affected liver and lungs.
The BBC also like to implant emotion by headlining "Killing people" half way through their article, helping browsers to assume the allegation is that Noakes and his product are doing so, whereby that was the accusation levelled at staff and politicians who had banned the product. They were subjected to serious abuse, from whom we don't know, accused of corruption and killing people.
Ahh, the BBC, always impartial and fair.
Given that the product is not in trial and there are claims of powerful recoveries, will it be tested and considered for use legally if found to be useful?
If a miracle cancer cure were discovered, threatening the established, largely devastating treatment on offer, would it be applauded by the establishment?
Would it's genius inventor be saluted by political and medical authorities and worshipped as the individual who finally defeated this killer of millions?
Would big pharma companies pat the backs of the people who were achieving the results they couldn't? Or would they feel threatened by the new kid on the block?
I dunno, but definitely don't dunno because I read the BBC.
For ****s sake! Woody, you are right to be sceptical and to resist being spoon fed stuff from the mainstream media, and one day one of your conspiracy theories will make me sit up and say ‘hang on’.....but this, once again, isn’t it.
Trust me, any company discovering a cure for cancer would test it thoroughly and make a fortune flogging it at huge prices. Someone would have done this with GcMAF, which doesn’t even have a patent, if any proper scientist thought it was worth it. There are plenty of diseases to make money from, and we in the evil industry are great at inventing more if necessary. In recent years the evil industry has invented cures for Hepatitis C and essentially for HIV, and no one has gone bankrupt from this. We sell the stuff for big money when it’s under copyright, and when it’s not it should be available very cheaply generically. The business model does not discourage cures, it encourages making lots of money in a limited period of exclusivity.
You get a lot of youngsters doing the Uni Paramedic route, many Aussie Paramedics who come here to do the job and gain experience for a few years, and a few like me who wanna do the job for more than just financial gain. I could earn more my getting ‘my bag’ and becoming a full Paramedic but to be honest, I’m 50 this year and don’t want to spend another 2 years studying, just so I can give certain meds and being able to cannulate......pay would be a bit better though, but not much.
My eldest has just got his start date for the Police and his girlfriend is a Paramedic.....so I guess it’s in the blood
