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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
rangercol said:
You'll say anything to support a 2nd vote.
Would you have called for one had remain won by the same margin?

The question was:
Leave or remain.

No kind of deal was on the ballot.

You continue with your straw grasping. It's quite amusing to witness.
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Would you have accepted a Corbyn version of Brexit?
 
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sb_73 said:
The ballot paper offered a choice between:
Remain a member of the European Union; and
Leave the European Union

Pretty straightforward, what people said during the campaign, especially people like Farage with no executive or legislative mandate, is irrelevant.
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But we have the fanatics now claiming that anything other than No Deal (something that was never discussed in the campaign) would be 'BRINO' and a betrayal. If we were leaving with a Norway deal, I wouldn't be saying that a further vote was justified. Leaving without a deal is a different matter.
 
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rangercol said:
No, because I voted to leave both the customs union and single market.

How about answering my question?
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But Corbyn's Brexit would still be Brexit, and would honour the referendum result. Remember the question was very simple, wasn't it?

No I wouldn't have called for another referendum if Remain had won. Nor would I if any 'soft' Brexit were being implemented - something that would fairly represent 52:48 outcome. No Deal is a different matter entirely.
 
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Frome-Ranger said:
Lib Dems who have been dead as a party for years achieved their highest EVER European election result. The Greens achieved their best result for 30 years. It's pretty clear these results were down to their stances on Brexit. SNP achieved their best result as well and they are clearly for Remain as well. These were European elections so I'd query what other reasons beyond the party's Brexit stance people would have based their decisions on. Contrary to your belief and despite the success of the Brexit party these results suggest the possibility of a swing towards Remain in the public opinion which if we want to be truly democratic suggests a 2nd referendum should be held. Although I do think the country is still divided fairly evenly if the split has shifted in the other direction Remain should be an option again. An accepted deal looks very, very unlikely now if it was ever possible. If the only Brexit possible is No Deal then the people should absolutely be asked again, that stark choice might see a re-think.
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If we want to be truly democratic then I suggest we go for best of 23, Fromers. :)
 
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Stroller said:
But Corbyn's Brexit would still be Brexit, and would honour the referendum result. Remember the question was very simple, wasn't it?

No I wouldn't have called for another referendum if Remain had won. Nor would I if any 'soft' Brexit were being implemented - something that would fairly represent 52:48 outcome. No Deal is a different matter entirely.
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I don't agree that staying in the CU and SM is brexit.
I don't believe many leave voters voted to stay in either or both.
 
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The first MEP in Ireland just elected, Mairead McGuinness elected with 135K votes in Midlands North-West constituency.

Also in the same constituency the Independent Luke Ming Flanagan (QPR supporter) is in second place on 85K votes so he looks like he will retain his seat.
 
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rangercol said:
Read again what I wrote.
I'm not claiming victory for either remain or leave.
Nothing has changed.
However, if remain had won with 52% originally, you and others would have been vociferous in your opposition to a 2nd vote.

We should leave and deal with the consequences, good or bad.

Anyway, here we go again, going around in circles.
Grasp at as many straws as you like, nothing has changed.
Remain lost.
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Col, I agree with you about most footballing matters but am diametrically opposed to your views on Brexit.

However, I'm also concerned about the impact on the nation of undoing the referendum.

Given the mess we are in, I'm inclined to agree that we should now get on and get out and deal with the consequences, good or bad.

There are multiple rifts in our society and it's time to start repair and restoration rather than sow more discord. If the price of that is for remainers to suck it up, so be it. Perhaps the boot all be on the other foot in 10/ 15 / 20 yrs when there's another vote to join the EU or whatever that has evolved to!
 
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Rangers Til I Die said:
Col, I agree with you about most footballing matters but am diametrically opposed to your views on Brexit.

However, I'm also concerned about the impact on the nation of undoing the referendum.

Given the mess we are in, I'm inclined to agree that we should now get on and get out and deal with the consequences, good or bad.

There are multiple rifts in our society and it's time to start repair and restoration rather than sow more discord. If the price of that is for remainers to suck it up, so be it. Perhaps the boot all be on the other foot in 10/ 15 / 20 yrs when there's another vote to join the EU or whatever that has evolved to!
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Agree entirely but the problem is the Remainers, many whom consider themselves intellectually superior, won't let it go and will cling to any smidgeon of evidence, real or imagined, to perpetuate their disbelief that they lost the vote. The fact that 400 politicians who were elected on a mandate to deliver Brexit are among that so called 'elite' is why we are where we are. They are the problem and yesterday's result has done nothing to change that...
 
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It’s actually quite sickening how many people are applauding the success of the Lib Dem’s in this Euro Election......seems easily forgotten that is wasn’t that long ago that they were in bed with the Tories and supported austerity
 
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rangercol said:
You'll say anything to support a 2nd vote.
Would you have called for one had remain won by the same margin?

The question was:
Leave or remain.

No kind of deal was on the ballot.

You continue with your straw grasping. It's quite amusing to witness.
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Thing is there are about 57 different f***** varieties of Leave and of course Brexiteers can't agree which one they want, or find one that doesn't cause all kind of problems, which even other Leavers recognise. Remain means what it says. Leave immediately asks the simple question how, and no good answer can be found.
 
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