I thought you put him on ignore?
It’s getting harder to bite my tongue with he who shall be ignored.
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No just ignoring him at moment, or not biting, a sort of test of willpower if you like, but may well have to go on full ignore for my sanity and mental well being
Bloody hell Turkish you like punishing yourself? I enjoy this debate more now I have cancelled him out of it. I still debate with retainers but don't have to see his Eurorubbish.No just ignoring him at moment, or not biting, a sort of test of willpower if you like, but may well have to go on full ignore for my sanity and mental well being
Good question Watford. If they are forigne and committed a crime I would deport to save our money however you are talking about the most horrific crimes against humans. I don't see how anyone would want this evil freak back here. She has said today that she "wasn't fazed by heads in bins". She made a choice to go and fight for IS. Now they have basically been wiped out she now wants to come back here to sponge off the state.
If she went to another country and stole something then I wouldn't really care but what if she was involved with murderers or took part in the Syrian atrocities? Let her go on trial there and if she is innocent you won't have anything to worry about.
I’m not saying I want her back. I’m saying Syria should have the right to deport her and we should be obliged to take her (and imprison her) here if they do. I’d rather she was imprisoned there.
Problem is under law she is a British citizen and as she doesn't have duel nationallity the default is we must take her back. I think that's how it goes.
Guess we will find out when syria go and deport her. We should do nothing to bring her back.
Not after going out to Syria to fight for IS.
She wasn't going on holiday Stroller. People forget why she went there. She went to fight against anyone who wasn't IS.If she has the finances or her passport yup. Doesnt sound like it though.
We will see. If she wants help she needs to go to the nearest british consulate
I have no idea. But she supported what went on and showed callous disregard for the life of others. Nobody forced her to tell the journo that she has no regrets and that finding severed heads in the dustbin did not phase her at all
It is all horribly mixed up but her case is clear. She went over to join IS not the Kurds or the Free Syrian Army. Her case was well publicised and she fled the last foothold of the Caliphate. She has not claimed in her interview that she went to fight against them. Saddam is a ruthless bastard and a dictator and won the war due to the intervention of the Russians who were clearly not prepared to tolerate the rise of IS. Unlike the West which, as usual, since the political demise of one Tony Blair and before him one Margaret Thatcher, wrung its hands, said something must be done about it but not by us. Ridding the world of IS one thing that we can all be thankful for. We now need to ensure that their acolytes are not allowed to crawl back into civilized society.
So far I have seen or heard two interviews with former supporters/ fighters of IS. The other being the pair who wanted to be returned to the UK to face justice here. Again, no regret or recognition of the abominations they committed or witnessed and supported. Their only claim being "We're British subjects innit therefore we're entitled, it' our human rights"
**** her
let her be tried over there
serve her time
if she has to come HOME
try her again and let her serve more of it
let her be tried over there
serve her time
if she has to come HOME
try her again and let her serve more of it
Just one in ten British jihadis have been prosecuted on return to UK
The UK has successfully prosecuted 40 of the 400 Britons who have returned to the UK after leaving to fight for terror groups in Iraq and Syria Credit: Reuters
12 June 2018 • 11:48pm
Ministers have been urged to "toughen terror laws" after it emerged only one in ten British jihadis have been prosecuted upon their return to the UK.
It is estimated that about 400 Britons have returned to the UK from the Middle East since 2012 after leaving to fight for terrorist groups such as Islamic State.
Home Office Minister Ben Wallace, in a Commons debate on new counter-terrorism and security proposals, revealed that of the 400, around 40 had been successfully prosecuted for "direct action they've carried out in Syria".
Barrow and Furness MP John Woodcock, who had pressed for the figures, said the low prosecution rate "shows how urgently we need to toughen our terror laws".
Speaking in the debate Mr Woodcock, a member of the Home Affairs select committee, added: "So, only one tenth of people have been successfully prosecuted.
"That does not mean the others are innocent of terrorism charges, if they have been over to Iraq and Syria, if they have been aiding Daesh in whatever form and they are British citizens, they have been aiding enemies of the British state."
Mr Woodcock called on the Government to introduce a similar system to that in place in Australia, whereby certain areas are deemed illegal to travel to.
Home Secretary Sajid Javid said he would be "looking at just that", adding: "There's a bit more work to do on it, it's not as straightforward as it might sound."
Around 850 Britons are believed to have travelled to Iraq and Syria, with around one in six believed to be dead. The low number of prosecutions highlights the scale of the task facing the Government.
Mr Javid said he was taking a "long, hard, forensic look" at powers available to the police, security services and the judiciary to ensure they have what they need.
Security Minister Ben Wallace revealed the figures in a debate Credit: John Stillwell/PA
He said the Bill would allow the police and MI5 to "disrupt threats earlier and to ensure that our laws reflect the modern use of the internet".
His remarks came after shadow home secretary Diane Abbott voiced concerns over threats to freedom of speech by a lack of clarity in the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill.
Tory MP John Howell, who sits on the Commons justice committee, also warned ministers they ran the risk of radicalising more people by extending prison sentences for terror offences.
The Henley MP said: "I think that that is a risk that we run with extending the prison sentences by ensuring that they are more susceptible to the influences that are going to effect that radicalisation process. What we need to do is to address that in total from the beginning."
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The UK has successfully prosecuted 40 of the 400 Britons who have returned to the UK after leaving to fight for terror groups in Iraq and Syria Credit: Reuters
12 June 2018 • 11:48pm
Ministers have been urged to "toughen terror laws" after it emerged only one in ten British jihadis have been prosecuted upon their return to the UK.
It is estimated that about 400 Britons have returned to the UK from the Middle East since 2012 after leaving to fight for terrorist groups such as Islamic State.
Home Office Minister Ben Wallace, in a Commons debate on new counter-terrorism and security proposals, revealed that of the 400, around 40 had been successfully prosecuted for "direct action they've carried out in Syria".
Barrow and Furness MP John Woodcock, who had pressed for the figures, said the low prosecution rate "shows how urgently we need to toughen our terror laws".
Speaking in the debate Mr Woodcock, a member of the Home Affairs select committee, added: "So, only one tenth of people have been successfully prosecuted.
"That does not mean the others are innocent of terrorism charges, if they have been over to Iraq and Syria, if they have been aiding Daesh in whatever form and they are British citizens, they have been aiding enemies of the British state."
Mr Woodcock called on the Government to introduce a similar system to that in place in Australia, whereby certain areas are deemed illegal to travel to.
Home Secretary Sajid Javid said he would be "looking at just that", adding: "There's a bit more work to do on it, it's not as straightforward as it might sound."
Around 850 Britons are believed to have travelled to Iraq and Syria, with around one in six believed to be dead. The low number of prosecutions highlights the scale of the task facing the Government.
Mr Javid said he was taking a "long, hard, forensic look" at powers available to the police, security services and the judiciary to ensure they have what they need.
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Security Minister Ben Wallace revealed the figures in a debate Credit: John Stillwell/PA
He said the Bill would allow the police and MI5 to "disrupt threats earlier and to ensure that our laws reflect the modern use of the internet".
His remarks came after shadow home secretary Diane Abbott voiced concerns over threats to freedom of speech by a lack of clarity in the Counter-Terrorism and Border Security Bill.
Tory MP John Howell, who sits on the Commons justice committee, also warned ministers they ran the risk of radicalising more people by extending prison sentences for terror offences.
The Henley MP said: "I think that that is a risk that we run with extending the prison sentences by ensuring that they are more susceptible to the influences that are going to effect that radicalisation process. What we need to do is to address that in total from the beginning."
Indiscriminate bombing and shelling, torture and execution of children and the use of chemical weapons against civilians makes him a pretty evil **** in my book, mate.
The other sides (there were a fair few) were pretty ****ing evil as well.
Wasn’t it an Australian politician who said early on in that war, and got slated for it, that this isn’t a war to take sides in ‘cos it’s bad guys against bad guys. So true
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Just watched a report on Sky with interviews from the various foreign nationals who went out to Syria in support of ISIS, and seemed interesting how all of them say they didn’t go out there to fight, did strictly humanitarian duties and didn’t realise what was going on........couldn’t help being reminded of the various books I’ve read on the Nazi Holocaust and how many captured camp guards responded that they ‘didn’t realise what was going on’ and how they were simple clerks in the camp machine.......