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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
In her opening speech, May stressed how important it was for Parliament to express what it wants, rather than what it doesn't want. The Grieve amendment would provide the opportunity for Parliament to do just that, but she will vote against it.
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That’s just it. The EU might just reopen discussions if she can go to it with a firm set of ideas which she knows she has Parliament’s support on. But she is making no effort to get to that position. Since she brought back the Withdrawal Agreement last November, knowing she would never get it through Parliament, and done precisely **** all to move things forward, hoping that 116 MPs will change their minds about the original Agreement as the terror of 29 March looms.

If the government/parliament sleepwalks into an unplanned no deal, I wonder if they can be sued by the businesses, and by extension employees, who will face a variety of negative issues as a result? I hope so.
 
sb_73 said:
That’s just it. The EU might just reopen discussions if she can go to it with a firm set of ideas which she knows she has Parliament’s support on. But she is making no effort to get to that position. Since she brought back the Withdrawal Agreement last November, knowing she would never get it through Parliament, and done precisely **** all to move things forward, hoping that 116 MPs will change their minds about the original Agreement as the terror of 29 March looms.

If the government/parliament sleepwalks into an unplanned no deal, I wonder if they can be sued by the businesses, and by extension employees, who will face a variety of negative issues as a result? I hope so.
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It's looking like the Brady amendment (vague as it is), will get passed, and that she will use this as an instruction to go back to Brussels and ask the EU to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement negotiations with a view to changing the Irish backstop in some unspecified way. If and when they say no, a few more weeks will have been wasted away. We must hope that the Cooper amendment is passed also.
 
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kiwiqpr said:
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And people actually want this to happen?!?! Very perverse. I will take these people's word, those that actually deal with these things daily over a handful of extreme politicians with their own hidden agendas.
 
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Stroller said:
It's looking like the Brady amendment (vague as it is), will get passed, and that she will use this as an instruction to go back to Brussels and ask the EU to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement negotiations with a view to changing the Irish backstop in some unspecified way. If and when they say no, a few more weeks will have been wasted away. We must hope that the Cooper amendment is passed also.
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But EU have already said they will not renegotiate on this.

Is this just devisive

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If every single one of these endless moronic amendments are defeated tonight it must be election time, surely? Then we can send the lot of them to the knackers yard.
 
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qprbeth said:
But EU have already said they will not renegotiate on this.

Is this just devisive

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It's purely designed to save the Tory party by keeping the ERG on side. The thing is, the ERG will be perfectly happy to see us leave with no deal.
 
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Stroller said:
It's purely designed to save the Tory party by keeping the ERG on side. The thing is, the ERG will be perfectly happy to see us leave with no deal.
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The crux of the cretinous approach that has been taken, placate a bunch of ultra free market bigots and Norn Irish crypto fascist fundamentalist troglodytes which represent a small minority of MPs views rather than build a consensus amongst those who accept the referendum result but understand that walking away without a plan is suicide, the vast majority.

The Tory party at its worst. Which is pretty ****ing amazingly bad. Between them Cameron and May have sold this country down the river, for zero return, and ****ed up our system of government into the bargain, discredited politics for nearly everyone not at the trough. I still could never vote for a party with Corbyn and his cronies at its head, but they couldn’t be worse than this. Could they?

Labour amendment defeated.
 
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bobmid said:
It's a farce. It's all about saving the Tory party and not the country, about sums them up
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So this Yvette Cooper amendment is whipped and so the most important ???
That is a question please not a statement

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qprbeth said:
So this Yvette Cooper amendment is whipped and so the most important ???
That is a question please not a statement

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Yes it is, but it seems that May has been able to spike the opposition amendments by telling potential Tory rebels that there will be another chance to do all this again in two weeks time. She's worse than PNE for timewasting tactics.
 
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Yes it is, but it seems that May has been able to spike the opposition amendments by telling potential Tory rebels that there will be another chance to do all this again in two weeks time. She's worse than PNE for timewasting tactics.
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And PNE do bloody waste time
 
qprbeth said:
So this Yvette Cooper amendment is whipped and so the most important ???
That is a question please not a statement

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It has the most important consequences, as it would be binding on the government, the others are not.


Don’t ask me why.
 
Don't worry, May is going back to renegotiate with the EU who have said they won't renegotiate and even May stated the other week that they won't renegotiate. She will go down in history that's for sure along with the rest of the corrupt Tory party.
 
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qprbeth said:
So this Yvette Cooper amendment is whipped and so the most important ???
That is a question please not a statement

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So that is lost too.
More information please ..are we are stumbling towards either Mays deal or no deal Brexit...

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