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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
I see you have a new favourite insult. Well done.
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I wasn't referring to you but some of the idiots speaking on the BBC today. :emoticon-0148-yes:
No going back Stroller as the damage has been done. We need a clean break and move on. I am sure if we do leave we will come up with a better relationship. This country has never really been part of the EU. Maybe in name only. Before the referendum no one gave a S22t about how good the EU was.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
I agree with you about May. She causes a problem (failure in the general election, weak negotiating with the EU) and then everyone praises her for her stoicism in fighting from a weakened position.

I could see big problems if Parliament, in connivance with an biased speaker, wrests this issue from an elected government.
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The issue must be taken away from May, by whatever means necessary or possible.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
I agree she should be replaced. For me, I would want someone like Hunt or Javid, with Raab as Brexit sec. You want a general election. It could happen. Anything could happen...
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I don't really think Labour want a GE because they would have to commit to Brexit or Remain and they won't do that. Best thing for Labour to do is sit back and watch and move when the Tories are at their weakest (which is not yet). They are 6 points behind after the mess the government is in? Just goes to show what people think of comedy Corbyn.

May is in a difficult position as you know. If she goes for a softer Brexit it will split the party. We also need to remember that the huge majority of Conservative members want Brexit and would never forgive the party if they betrayed the voters. She would go down as the leader that ruined the Tories and she wouldn't want that.

It appearers there is not enough support for a WTO/No deal Brexit, (even though it is the default position) However it appears that the 'Free Trade Canada +++++++++++++++++++' seems to be back on the table.
For me, this is the best option but like many, I don't really have a clue from day to day the way it is going.

I just hope that the one ounce of faith I have left with politicians comes to fruition. In that I mean implement the result. If not then politics will be dead in this country.
 
ELLERS said:
I don't really think Labour want a GE because they would have to commit to Brexit or Remain and they won't do that. Best thing for Labour to do is sit back and watch and move when the Tories are at their weakest (which is not yet). They are 6 points behind after the mess the government is in? Just goes to show what people think of comedy Corbyn.

May is in a difficult position as you know. If she goes for a softer Brexit it will split the party. We also need to remember that the huge majority of Conservative members want Brexit and would never forgive the party if they betrayed the voters. She would go down as the leader that ruined the Tories and she wouldn't want that.

It appearers there is not enough support for a WTO/No deal Brexit, (even though it is the default position) However it appears that the 'Free Trade Canada +++++++++++++++++++' seems to be back on the table.
For me, this is the best option but like many, I don't really have a clue from day to day the way it is going.

I just hope that the one ounce of faith I have left with politicians comes to fruition. In that I mean implement the result. If not then politics will be dead in this country.
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You can't have a free trade deal without resolving the Irish border issue.

Oh, and Labour is 3 points ahead in the latest poll.

............and Remain has a 9 point lead.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
I saw a French minister said something like that last summer, but they'll get their pound of flesh one way or another, and we'll be outvoted because we're not part of the Euro block. We'll be in the club where big decisions are made by an inner "Euro" club.
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Them is the consequences of the choices the UK made repeatedly.
 
As for Corbyn, he is without any doubt the weakest opposition leader I have ever known.
Just today in PMQ's he had the chance to rip one into a weakened May and was a limp as an old lettuce. He failed.
He was called by an MP the "worst". He couldn't even answer questions in the house.
Asked if he would support a Losers vote.... No comment
Asked if he would support Brexit.... No comment
Because he is playing games and doesn't have an answer.
Did you know businesses said overwhelmingly they would rather have a 'no deal' than a Corbyn government.
The bloke is unelectable and is no leader.
 
Oh crap that smooth talking muppet Chukka is saying we need an extension and a 'Loser vote". <doh>
Can you believe it... to do this he wants to change the law!
Muppet
 
Stroller said:
Against, then.
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Stroller, you know like everyone else that Corbyn wants out of the EU. In the past he has voted everytime against the EU. Other than the freedom of movement he is against business and the centralisation of the EU. He is probably more Eurosceptic than I am. This has been a good thing for May otherwise she really would be in the s22t.
Fortunately Corbyn is not taken credibally as a leader. At best he is an old lefty, a CND, terrorist loving activist. He reminds me of Michael Foot, but less liked. Looked what happened to him? <yikes>
Every time I watch him I laugh at the state of politics.
The fact that business would rather a 'no deal' then a Corbyn government is testament to how s22t he is.
 
ELLERS said:
As for Corbyn, he is without any doubt the weakest opposition leader I have ever known.
Just today in PMQ's he had the chance to rip one into a weakened May and was a limp as an old lettuce. He failed.
He was called by an MP the "worst". He couldn't even answer questions in the house.
Asked if he would support a Losers vote.... No comment
Asked if he would support Brexit.... No comment
Because he is playing games and doesn't have an answer.
Did you know businesses said overwhelmingly they would rather have a 'no deal' than a Corbyn government.
The bloke is unelectable and is no leader.
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He was the same in the General Election when asked how he would pay for all their promises. You have to ask why, when we have the worst government in living memory, are Labour not 20+ points ahead in the polls? Old Catweazle is the answer...
 
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ELLERS said:
Stroller, you know like everyone else that Corbyn wants out of the EU. In the past he has voted everytime against the EU. Other than the freedom of movement he is against business and the centralisation of the EU. He is probably more Eurosceptic than I am. This has been a good thing for May otherwise she really would be in the s22t.
Fortunately Corbyn is not taken credibally as a leader. At best he is an old lefty, a CND, terrorist loving activist. He reminds me of Michael Foot, but less liked. Looked what happened to him? <yikes>
Every time I watch him I laugh at the state of politics.
The fact that business would rather a 'no deal' then a Corbyn government is testament to how s22t he is.
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Corbyn himself may well want out, but his party doesn't, and, as he says, it is a democratic party. If there was a GE now, Labour would campaign for a further referendum.
 
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