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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
will have to read it again
which parts

come on stroller
it was too long for you to read
The whole of it.

It portrays itself as an everyman's view while defining the enemy as Muslims, liberals and the establishment.

It cleverly stops short of saying what "needs to be done" while being leading with what the answer should be.

It combines empathy and hyperbole to draw readers into feeling an exaggerated anger.

It's a hate-fuelled subtext and a call to arms.

Very, very few things I read get me so wound up but that is just evil propaganda.
 
Why would anyone want a "losers referendum"? We have done that. If there is to be one though the questions should be May's deal or WTO. No point having remain as it would only devide the country more.

Therefore to be divided more it would need to shift
51/49 to 50/50 so you saying in two years Remain voters have increased ?
At last you get it !

Conclusion The fear of the Brexiteer
 
Therefore to be divided more it would need to shift
51/49 to 50/50 so you saying in two years Remain voters have increased ?
At last you get it !

Conclusion The fear of the Brexiteer
Therefore, to divide something by anything, increases the remaining fear of confusion, beyond the ability to say anything logically !!
 
Who had the duty to regulate financial services between 1998 and 2010? Who removed responsibility from the Bank of England? Who encouraged massive borrowing by claiming there would be no more boom and bust? Who put no government funds away for a rainy day? Need help with your selective memory?
Not at all. He made a big mistake. He trusted the bankers by continuing with the deregulation and willingness to allow the financial sector to regulate itself started 20 years earlier by Nigel Lawson who was one of your lot. You do remember him I take it? Another Breximoron now I believe. I'll let you off with that one though because not everyone remembers things from 30 years ago whether selectively or not, Unprecedented greed is what got us into the mess not Brown's stewardship of the biggest financial crisis inflicted upon us by capitalism at its worst. And greed after all was the attribute most appreciated and admired by Margaret Thatcher during that spell of financial extremism - the good guys in white hats for her and Ronnie Reagan were all the entrepeneurs of this world however shady they might be because they would be able to employ people.
 
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Yes, you're not wrong. I guess in my head it will come down to the option least opposed, not the one with most support. I think there would be a swathe of Lab MPs would sacrafice their seats for remain. V hard to call but fun guessing. Is there a bookie with the odds?
I'd like to think so but the you're putting a lot of faith in a bunch of politicians putting the national interest before the wishes of their party leadership and self-interest to continue doing a job from which you can't be sacked until the next election
 
I love how you use the word democracy Watford when you want another vote before the other has been implemented?
Should we have one every 2 years?

Ideally not as I’d get tired of reading the ****e on here from a 90-year-old Col in the build-up to the 2042 referendum.

However there are some painfully obvious differences between our situation in 2016 regarding the referendum and now less than 2.5 years later.

Most importantly, the fact that now we’ve (including the politicians but mostly just us serfs) got some sort of clear idea of what Brexit actually ****ing is, and it’s been shown to be a load of meaningless bollocks which does no normal people any good.

Secondly the illegality of the funding of the Leave campaign, Aaran Banks and all that. It doesn’t sound very sensible to blindly enforce a narrow victory with that hanging over it.

Thirdly we’ve agreed some sort of deal and fulfilled the desire of us plebs to leave and Leavers are still moaning, so I don’t think it would be unfair to throw the question back at us to ask “what the **** do you ****s want now then?”

I could go on, but it’s early. It’s certainly not undemocratic to have another referendum because that makes no sense. If Leave is such a great thing still it’ll win comfortably. It’ll probably get enough turkeys voting for Christmas again in the North anyway so you’ve nothing to fear.
 
The whole of it.

It portrays itself as an everyman's view while defining the enemy as Muslims, liberals and the establishment.

It cleverly stops short of saying what "needs to be done" while being leading with what the answer should be.

It combines empathy and hyperbole to draw readers into feeling an exaggerated anger.

It's a hate-fuelled subtext and a call to arms.

Very, very few things I read get me so wound up but that is just evil propaganda.
Well I spose the enemy if you are worried about going to a Christmas market is no longer a pickpocket or overcharging
The concrete barriers all over the place are not to stop Buddhists ploughing into pedestrians on bridges
 
Ideally not as I’d get tired of reading the ****e on here from a 90-year-old Col in the build-up to the 2042 referendum.

However there are some painfully obvious differences between our situation in 2016 regarding the referendum and now less than 2.5 years later.

Most importantly, the fact that now we’ve (including the politicians but mostly just us serfs) got some sort of clear idea of what Brexit actually ****ing is, and it’s been shown to be a load of meaningless bollocks which does no normal people any good.

Secondly the illegality of the funding of the Leave campaign, Aaran Banks and all that. It doesn’t sound very sensible to blindly enforce a narrow victory with that hanging over it.

Thirdly we’ve agreed some sort of deal and fulfilled the desire of us plebs to leave and Leavers are still moaning, so I don’t think it would be unfair to throw the question back at us to ask “what the **** do you ****s want now then?”

I could go on, but it’s early. It’s certainly not undemocratic to have another referendum because that makes no sense. If Leave is such a great thing still it’ll win comfortably. It’ll probably get enough turkeys voting for Christmas again in the North anyway so you’ve nothing to fear.
What happens if the ****s win again
Do you keep voting until enough of them die
 
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Well I spose the enemy if you are worried about going to a Christmas market is no longer a pickpocket or overcharging
The concrete barriers all over the place are not to stop Buddhists ploughing into pedestrians on bridges
The concrete barriers aren't a terrorist precaution but a traffic measure. For example, Cambridge city centre has had barriers for 25 years at least and I don't think that was foresight of a Muslim threat.

The whole part about Christmas markets is to evoke, to make the reader feel more tangibly threatened than they really are. Have Christmas markets been particularly targeted? For example, have there been more incidents at all the markets everywhere than, say, Westminster Bridge?

The reality is that there have been more stabbings on one small road fairly near me than terrorist attacks on markets. That makes it more likely that I'd get stabbed in one street than going to any markets anywhere.

According to that article, I am the enemy too, as bad as a terrorist and probably deserve the same treatment.

No problem with your other shares BTW (a bit right leaning for my taste generally but happy for reasonable alternative viewpoints).
 
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The concrete barriers aren't a terrorist precaution but a traffic measure. For example, Cambridge city centre has had barriers for 25 years at least and I don't think that was foresight of a Muslim threat.

The whole part about Christmas markets is to evoke, to make the reader feel more tangibly threatened than they really are. Have Christmas markets been particularly targeted? For example, have there been more incidents at all the markets everywhere than, say, Westminster Bridge?

The reality is that there have been more stabbings on one small road fairly near me than terrorist attacks on markets. That makes it more likely that I'd get stabbed in one street than going to any markets anywhere.

According to that article, I am the enemy too, as bad as a terrorist and probably deserve the same treatment.

No problem with your other shares BTW (a bit right leaning for my taste generally but happy for reasonable alternative viewpoints).

I can't speak for Cambridge but it simply not right to say that concrete barriers aren't a terrorist precaution. They've sprung up all over the place since the 2016 Berlin truck attack by an Islamist which was driven at a Christmas market. There's evidence that these psychopaths are targeting the Christmas festival. There have been plenty of threats to this effect and a Christmas attack was foiled in Melbourne this year. It seems likely that the Strasbourg attack was Christmas related.
 
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Ideally not as I’d get tired of reading the ****e on here from a 90-year-old Col in the build-up to the 2042 referendum.

However there are some painfully obvious differences between our situation in 2016 regarding the referendum and now less than 2.5 years later.

Most importantly, the fact that now we’ve (including the politicians but mostly just us serfs) got some sort of clear idea of what Brexit actually ****ing is, and it’s been shown to be a load of meaningless bollocks which does no normal people any good.

Secondly the illegality of the funding of the Leave campaign, Aaran Banks and all that. It doesn’t sound very sensible to blindly enforce a narrow victory with that hanging over it.

Thirdly we’ve agreed some sort of deal and fulfilled the desire of us plebs to leave and Leavers are still moaning, so I don’t think it would be unfair to throw the question back at us to ask “what the **** do you ****s want now then?”

I could go on, but it’s early. It’s certainly not undemocratic to have another referendum because that makes no sense. If Leave is such a great thing still it’ll win comfortably. It’ll probably get enough turkeys voting for Christmas again in the North anyway so you’ve nothing to fear.

1/ The only people moaning are remoaners.
2/ Typical remain voter complains about leavers spending but forgets the Cameron’s government spent £9 million of taxpayers money on a leaflet printed in Germany, and also overspent.
3/ And it is un democratic to have another referendum as we were told by Cameron (a remainer) that it was a “ONCE” in a lifetime decision.
4/ And don’t assume only C***s And Northerners And Turkeys voted leave, because many Dumb C***s voted remain.
 
I can't speak for Cambridge but it simply not right to say that concrete barriers aren't a terrorist precaution. They've sprung up all over the place since the 2016 Berlin truck attack by an Islamist which was driven at a Christmas market. There's evidence that these psychopaths are targeting the Christmas festival. There have been plenty of threats to this effect and a Christmas attack was foiled in Melbourne this year. It seems likely that the Strasbourg attack was Christmas related.
Without doing extensive searching on concrete barriers at Christmas events, I can't say conclusively and I have little inclination to spend time on it.

The foremost point is that it was a subversive piece of extremist propaganda that, more than anything I've read in the last couple of years, disgusted me.
 
Ideally not as I’d get tired of reading the ****e on here from a 90-year-old Col in the build-up to the 2042 referendum.

However there are some painfully obvious differences between our situation in 2016 regarding the referendum and now less than 2.5 years later.

Most importantly, the fact that now we’ve (including the politicians but mostly just us serfs) got some sort of clear idea of what Brexit actually ****ing is, and it’s been shown to be a load of meaningless bollocks which does no normal people any good.

Secondly the illegality of the funding of the Leave campaign, Aaran Banks and all that. It doesn’t sound very sensible to blindly enforce a narrow victory with that hanging over it.

Thirdly we’ve agreed some sort of deal and fulfilled the desire of us plebs to leave and Leavers are still moaning, so I don’t think it would be unfair to throw the question back at us to ask “what the **** do you ****s want now then?”

I could go on, but it’s early. It’s certainly not undemocratic to have another referendum because that makes no sense. If Leave is such a great thing still it’ll win comfortably. It’ll probably get enough turkeys voting for Christmas again in the North anyway so you’ve nothing to fear.

Nothing has changed in 2 years people still want to leave.

And people don’t actually know what’s out there. Other than remainers with their ‘project fear’ agendas we don’t know.
People need to respect the result.
It’s not the result which was wrong it was the idiots trying to implement it.
 
Without doing extensive searching on concrete barriers at Christmas events, I can't say conclusively and I have little inclination to spend time on it.

The foremost point is that it was a subversive piece of extremist propaganda that, more than anything I've read in the last couple of years, disgusted me.

I'm not defending the piece that you complain of. I haven't really read it. Just think we need to get the facts straight about Islamic terrorist threats. These should not reflect upon the law abiding Muslim population in Europe