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The lying bitch better not come anywhere near me!
I doubt it, she's up against the three X-Factor finalists touring the country as well. Sales of eggs may rise this week...
As I said Oslo, American opinion on the Vietnam was massively swayed against when the protests got violent and the college campuses started burning.
It’s just a fact that violent protest gets column inches, whereas peaceful protest often gets ignored.
Or taken in a wider perspective, "the withdrawal agreement is good for the EU, while bad for the UK"
As one of the main reasons for exiting, was to make trade with the rest of the world, more accessible.
For the last to years I have been saying how the EU do not listen and won't 'adapt' or 'change'. I have referred to them as 'Bullies'. in recent weeks I have seen our own Prime Minister act in the same way.
She is so hell bent on this plan that she cannot see what is going on around her. I want to feel sorry for her but I can't. Even at the Commons today it was if she was just going through the motions and not listening.
Sadly I look at our PM as a sad deluded woman who has bullied MP's in her cabinet and will not listen to reason.
Whatever your stance on Brexit is, at the end of the day we should all want the best for our country, (most of us anyway). May has had plenty of chances to try and sort something but hasn't. This deal will get voted down and I hope she falls on her sword. I also hope the idiots in her cabinet who have supported this go as well. That includes the likes of Brexitiers Leadsom/Gove who have proved that they are only interested in their jobs and didn't do the honourable thing and resign.
As a Tory it is hard for me to see them act like this and when I go to the next local meeting I will tell them in my own way that they are muppets and I probably won't vote at the next election. I would never want Corbyn in power but maybe a change might clear the decks.
She is so hell bent on this plan that she cannot see what is going on around her. I want to feel sorry for her but I can't. Even at the Commons today it was if she was just going through the motions and not listening.
Sadly I look at our PM as a sad deluded woman who has bullied MP's in her cabinet and will not listen to reason.
Whatever your stance on Brexit is, at the end of the day we should all want the best for our country, (most of us anyway). May has had plenty of chances to try and sort something but hasn't. This deal will get voted down and I hope she falls on her sword. I also hope the idiots in her cabinet who have supported this go as well. That includes the likes of Brexitiers Leadsom/Gove who have proved that they are only interested in their jobs and didn't do the honourable thing and resign.
As a Tory it is hard for me to see them act like this and when I go to the next local meeting I will tell them in my own way that they are muppets and I probably won't vote at the next election. I would never want Corbyn in power but maybe a change might clear the decks.
Hows the discussion to go? Anyone disagree that laws should be implemented to stop this ****? Nope? Ok. Waste of time I’d agree on most things but what is there to debate exactly?
I hate female genital mutilation
Absolutely ****ing disgusting
Should every law that can end up with a jail sentence be discussed properly
How about blasphemy
Upsets a minority
Pass the law anyway without any discussion on its merits
I don't doubt you Kiwi for a second and wouldn't question your morality you seem like a top fella, I totally agree most things require further discussion, I just can't see what merit blocking/delaying either of the bills has any merit at all.
The up skirting and FGM are clear violations of a person by another person or persons, potential loopholes in laws rather than a new discussion in my opinion.
Chope is my MP. He rang my doorbell once. I found him a bit odious, TBH. He's one of the "breakfast plotters" who met (or still do meet) once a week to plan how they could get the Conservatives to do things they wanted which weren't on the official party or government agenda. He has a large swathe of loyal (but increasingly older) supporters who consume the Telegraph and Mail, don't do social media (lucky them) and don't look past the suit, the accent and his views on "lost Britain" that they find so appealing. I doubt that anyone knows what he really thinks or wants personally, but he certainly knows what to say and do to get re-elected. Next time (if he doesn't retire, he's 71) I think he might struggle.
He's not the only MP who turns up on a Friday to oppose any private members bills which might otherwise pass unopposed to the next stage. It's a shared job and they take turns, apparently. They say they do this because everything should be properly debated so we don't pass poor laws. Which on the surface, sounds reasonable, yes? A public service, even.
Private members bills usually come from the opposition side. The government of the day usually turns initiatives from their own side into government policy and presents them to Parliament using a different route. In effect, it slows down or kills any proposals that don't come from the Conservatives. It's a game. I've got a suspicion that they didn't play this game when the Conservatives were in opposition. Maybe some Labour MPs did. Who knows?
He's not the only MP who turns up on a Friday to oppose any private members bills which might otherwise pass unopposed to the next stage. It's a shared job and they take turns, apparently. They say they do this because everything should be properly debated so we don't pass poor laws. Which on the surface, sounds reasonable, yes? A public service, even.
Private members bills usually come from the opposition side. The government of the day usually turns initiatives from their own side into government policy and presents them to Parliament using a different route. In effect, it slows down or kills any proposals that don't come from the Conservatives. It's a game. I've got a suspicion that they didn't play this game when the Conservatives were in opposition. Maybe some Labour MPs did. Who knows?
Yes that was my thoughts behind his reasoning, which if so is ****ing awful
oh crap quick I need to get out of here! Some labour remoaner MP talking about wanting to change Brexit result to save medicines/food/water not getting to people and worried about the Army guarding the streets. 
What a stupid 2222. Can't these idiots see that people are not falling for their project fear?
What a stupid 2222. Can't these idiots see that people are not falling for their project fear?
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Was the up skirting eventually passed
Should have had plenty of time to discuss it by now
How does one person get it stopped anyway
Is he the only one to turn up for the vote
The convention is that the first reading of a private members bill is passed without a vote or a debate. The reason for this is that there is not much Parliamentary time allocated to private members bills at all, so anything that speeds up a stage will be a good thing. However, anyone can object and force it to be debated - even at the first reading stage. That's what Chope and his buddies do. Then time must be found for a debate - which often never happens because Parliament never has enough time to cover off everything that it gets asked to cover. So, most private members bills do not make it into law as they are at the back of the queue when it comes to being scheduled, run out of time and get scrapped.
The up-skirting furore was such bad publicity for the Conservatives that the private members bill proposal was adopted by the government. Therefore, no longer a private members amendment but a government one - which is higher up the pecking order and gets more debating time. No idea if it's law or not yet.