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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Goldhawk-Road said:
Huge support in the Labour Party Conference for a General Strike. That's Corbyn's Labour. We go back to 1926
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Perhaps if the majority felt they had prospered or even been treated fairly over the last 7 years we wouldn't be here now. Whose fault is that? Corbyn is a product of tired old Monetarist dogma which has slowly eroded and dismantled the entire notion of State and community. As Ellers keeps saying 'Operation Fear'. Every so often it backfires spectacularly. Just ask yourself how a party where Dianne Abbott is a leading light came so close last time to winning when an increased majority should have been a given. Nothing has been learned from that fiasco.

I eagerly await the promises of strong but stable goverment, more tax cuts and tales of the untold damage Corbyn will wreak. That is certain to clinch it for him.
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
Perhaps if the majority felt they had prospered or even been treated fairly over the last 7 years we wouldn't be here now. Whose fault is that? Corbyn is a product of tired old Monetarist dogma which has slowly eroded and dismantled the entire notion of State and community. As Ellers keeps saying 'Operation Fear'. Every so often it backfires spectacularly. Just ask yourself how a party where Dianne Abbott is a leading light came so close last time to winning when an increased majority should have been a given. Nothing has been learned from that fiasco.

I eagerly await the promises of strong but stable goverment, more tax cuts and tales of the untold damage Corbyn will wreak. That is certain to clinch it for him.
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Couldn't agree more. The propaganda hurled against this man is beyond ridiculous and as people see through it, the more popular he will become.
 
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ELLERS said:
She is weak and I don't trust her because I don't believe her heart is really in Brexit. The stupid side of me thinks this is one big master plan to derail the will of the people but we shall have to wait and see
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I'm beginning to dislike this 'will of the people' line.
The will of slightly over half of the people who voted would sound better.
 

Customs delays of 30 minutes will bankrupt one in 10 firms, say bosses
Supply chain chiefs at 1,300 surveyed firms say firms are already stockpiling parts amid fear of no-deal Brexit
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Wed 26 Sep 2018 00.01 BST Last modified on Wed 26 Sep 2018 07.46 BST
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    Researchers estimate just two extra minutes of checks could triple existing queues at ports, potentially leading to 29-mile motorway tailbacks in Kent. Photograph: Joerg Walther/PA
Delays of only half an hour at UK ports and the Irish border would risk one in 10 British firms going bankrupt, according to a report laying bare the severe risk to the economy from no-deal Brexit.
According to the Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply (CIPS), failure to reach a deal with Brussels before March could trigger massive queues of trucks at British borders from a vast increase in paperwork and checks to clear customs.
From a survey of more than 1,300 UK and EU-based supply chain managers, the personnel responsible for navigating customs controls for their companies, a tenth at UK firms said it would risk bankruptcy if goods were delayed by between 10 and 30 minutes at the border.
The warning comes amid the increasing likelihood of Britain crashing out of the EU without a deal in little more than six months time, after Theresa May failed to win support for her Brexit plan from European leaders and said both sides had reached an impasse.
Several major UK firms have warned of the risks from tougher border controls, including the retail chain Next, and carmakers such as Honda and Jaguar Land Rover who rely on thousands of parts arriving from the EU each day.
JLR has cut staff working hours, while Honda has said a no-deal Brexit could add 60,000 extra pieces of paperwork for imports and exports to the UK while costing the firm tens of millions of pounds.
“It’s such a potential car crash,” said John Glen, economist at CIPS, adding: “Common sense has got to prevail. We need to have a two-year transition period and to get something sorted out during that. The idea of day-one no-deal is just crazy.”
The CIPS survey also found almost a quarter of British businesses are planning to stockpile goods for fear of border delays and shortages of goods, while 4% are already starting to do so.
Economists have warned tougher border controls, import tariffs and other barriers to trade in the event of no-deal Brexit would have severe consequences for the economy, with one consultancy estimating the cost at around £1bn per year.
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Researchers at Imperial College London estimate just two extra minutes of checks could more than triple the existing queues at ports, potentially leading to motorway tailbacks in Kent up to 29 miles long.
Leading Brexiters have dismissed the warnings as scaremongering and urged walking away from negotiations without a deal and striking free trade agreements around the world instead.
Ministers have also attempted to downplay the concerns by suggesting they could relax efforts to collect border taxes to maintain the free movement of imports and exports in the event of no-deal.
Disruption would be costliest around the port of Dover, where about 17% of the UK’s entire trade in goods worth up to £122bn was handled last year. Alongside the Eurotunnel rail link at Folkestone, more than 4m trucks are processed around this part of south-east England each year.
There are precedents for disruption, including Operation Stack on the M20, which forced trucks to a standstill in 2015 amid tunnel fires and industrial action in Calais. Typically used for a few days each year, it had a lengthier impact three years ago when 7,000 trucks were stranded, taking 36 hours to work their way through.
Some food products did not make it to market because they went off in the queue, while others arrived so late that there were late penalties. Rolls-Royce was forced to delay its production line when goods did not arrive in time.



how has british business survived for so long
sounds like 10% of it is ready to fold now
get yourself a stockroom
 
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GRU colonel Chepiga revealed as Skripal suspect's 'real identity'
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Image captionAnatoliy Chepiga 2003 passport photo and (right) the picture of Ruslan Boshirov, released by police

An investigative journalism website has published what it says is the real identity of one of the Russian intelligence officers suspected of the Salisbury nerve agent poisoning.

The Bellingcat group claims the man who was named as Ruslan Boshirov is actually Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga.

British officials have not commented. The BBC understands there is no dispute over the identification.

UK investigators have said Mr Boshirov was a Russian intelligence officer.

It was thought he travelled to the UK on a false passport, under a pseudonym, with another Russian national who used the name Alexander Petrov.

Ex-spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were poisoned by Novichok in March. The pair survived but Dawn Sturgess - a woman not connected to the original attack - died in July after being exposed to the same substance.

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Media caption"Our friends had been suggesting for a long time that we visit this wonderful town" - interview from 13 September 2018

The latest development comes as a member of activist punk group Pussy Riot, Pyotr Verzilov, who is believed to have been poisoned, said he "firmly believes" Russia's intelligence services were responsible.

BBC security correspondent Gordon Corera said although it wasn't known if the two incidents were connected, the cases showed Russia seemed willing to take "increasingly aggressive" and "risky" action.

"They appear less worried about getting caught out - more brazen," he added.

The UK government has accused Mr Petrov and Mr Boshirov of the attack in Salisbury. It said they were undercover officers for the Russian military intelligence, the GRU.

Russia has always denied the allegations and President Vladimir Putin said the suspects were civilians.

The pair then appeared on Russian-state television claiming to have been tourists, visiting the city to see its cathedral.

Bellingcat says that Col Chepiga was a soldier who served in Chechnya and was awarded the highest state award - Hero of the Russian Federation, usually bestowed personally by President Vladimir Putin.

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Image captionColonel Chepiga is the last name on the Gold Star honour list on the memorial wall of the Far Eastern Military Command School

Bellingcat obtained extracts from the passport file of Anatoliy Vladimirovich Chepiga. A picture of Mr Chepiga from 2003 appears to look like a younger version of the man who used the identity Ruslan Bushirov.
 
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bobmid said:
I'm beginning to dislike this 'will of the people' line.
The will of slightly over half of the people who voted would sound better.
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okay then the majority. Is that better? The majority of voters want to leave the EU.
 
ELLERS said:
The more I read about how the EU works the more I want out. It's a corrupt protectionist organisation that is geared up for Germany then France. When we break free from it I can see the UK prospering and the EU getting worse.
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Won’t matter either way Ellers
I am not too sure we will prosper without the free movement

Politics is politics look at our current lot and options?
 
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