It's sad because the tyrannical way the EU is being run will ultimately be a destructive influence in Europe. The Common Market was a good idea - but it's morphing into a monster.
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It's sad because the tyrannical way the EU is being run will ultimately be a destructive influence in Europe. The Common Market was a good idea - but it's morphing into a monster.
Was it really that insulting? Maybe we should stop being such snowflakes if we consider it to be that bad.
The EU have been nothing but consistent despite representing, in theory, a far greater range of interests than us, while we’ve been a shambles. If negotiation fail we’ll just blame Jonny Foreigner because that’s what we do now, apparently.
You can't take the piss out of another country's head of state in a tweet without creating bad feeling. It was unnecessary and ill advised.
The EU have been consistent - consistently inflexible. Their definition of negotiating is build a brick wall and hide behind it
We have 3.8 million EU nationals in our country and May has said they are welcome. How is that blaming Johnny Foreigner?
Your reply is avoiding what he said Watford. No good going off on a tangent. They acted like muppets mate.
Because the EU made it clear what their ‘red lines’ are from the off. That’s a strong position and they’ve stuck to it. We’ll just keep infighting and putting out nice soundbites until the clock runs down and either leave without a deal, or more likely kick the can down the road because everyone knows what a farce the whole thing is.
Maybe, but in the grand scheme of these negotiations, does it really deserve all this scrutiny over the actual important stuff?
I heard an MP yesterday (forgot who it was) who basically said the same in that the EU was going in a different direction.
you are missing the point Watford. Put the negotiations aside for a minute and look at how they treated the PM of the UK? It was wrong and trying to defend it makes you look stubborn mate.
I honestly don’t see what was so terrible about it. It seems, at least to me, to have been exaggerated.
A red line that splits Northern Ireland from the rest of Britain is not "strong". It's divisive. I don't think there'll be a time extension without a deal. May has said that would be unacceptable. A WTO relationship is looking more and more likely. I don't think the UK will give anything further, so if the EU sticks to it's hard line, it's no deal.
And the gammons will cheer.
But not as hard as Rees-Mogg and the other patriots betting on our currency collapsing.
Where do you get this carp from? As if they want our currency to collapse.
Are you on about pork again, Watford?
A no deal is not desirable, but it can be accommodated. It must be a "managed" transition to WTO, working with the EU to reduce damage on both sides of the Channel.
What is there to get apart from a group of predominantly middle-aged blokes getting upset over an unstatesmanlike tweet whilst simultaneously wanting Boris Johnson to be in power.
That's it in a nutshell. I remember a referendum asking whether to join the 'Common Market', it seemed a good idea at the time, it didn't say we would cede our laws and a whole lot more to unaccountable bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg. There was no further referendum for the political union...
Totally agree. May as a person certainly doesn’t deserve respect. But she represents something else which is simply stupid to disrespect.
And they are integrating it even more, Army, Laws an so on. In the end, we won't have a say over anything we will be left with someone in charge who cracks jokes on Instagram about a foreign leader.
But people voted time after time for governments, including Thatcher’s, which which we happy to allow the EU to evolve the way it has because they saw the economic benefits. Since 1993 UKIP have been on the ballot paper for those who wanted out, but only a tiny minority voted for them.
All of the bureaucrats in Brussels and Strasbourg are accountable to both an elected European Parliament and the elected governments of all 28 member states. Perhaps if some of the eurosceptic MEPs actually turned up more often (Farage has the second worst attendance records of all MEPs) the system would work better.
There is plenty to criticise the EU about, but recycling lies that Boris peddled when he was a journo doesn’t actually strengthen the argument.
This is the latest on classic EU unaccountability out this month:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45407247