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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Yeah, said that above (surge in popularity etc.). I just don’t think we’d have seen a campaign for a second referendum. We might have seem Farage continue to campaign for UKIP votes at a GE to bring about a Brexit, but not another referendum.

After campaigning against the EU for forty years, do you really think they'd have said 'oh well, we came close, let's call it a day'?
 
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Do you think a Remain vote would have achieved Cameron’s desire, the silencing of the turbulent wing of his own party?
No but he'd have enjoyed waving his knob around Westminster for a while, calling Boris a jealous loser. Boris would then have rewritten the Merchant of Venice portraying George Osborne as Shylock and, in the midst of the consequent accusations of anti semitic claimed Jeremy Corbyn wrote it.

Bet some of this lot wish they'd voted remain now <whistle>
 
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There’d have been a campaign but limited to a relatively small and particularly gammony share of the population.

Anyway, Love Island time.

Three of the five Uber clan watch that total toilet. You should be ashamed of yourself, WWR.

Do you know that more people in this country are exercised to watch that unending tripe than felt animated to take to the streets of Londinium to protest against the American Bojo?
 
No but he'd have enjoyed waving his knowledge around Westminster for a while, calling Boris a jealous lose. Boris would then have rewritten the Merchant of Venice portraying George Osborne as Shylock and, as well in the midst of the consequent accusations of anti semitic claimed Jeremy Corbyn wrote it.

Bet some of this lot wish they'd voted remain now <whistle>

I wish there’d been a third box on the paper for “shake it all about”.
 
Three of the five Uber clan watch that total toilet. You should be ashamed of yourself, WWR.

Do you know that more people in this country are exercised to watch that unending tripe than felt animated to take to the streets of Londinium to protest against the American Bojo?

Don’t knock it mate. Great show and gives me something to talk about with the slags in Marketing.
 
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It’s Nazi / Orwellian playbook 101, and sadly there are enough people in the ‘dumb / racist / xenophobic / homophobic’ sector for him to appeal to.

Just today they were talking of revoking the security status of six top officials simply because they disagreed with Trump.

And right after they were caught funnelling $30 million in Russian money to the Trump Campain, Trump passes a law saying that organisations such as the NRA don’t need to disclose their donors.

Seriously, if anyone reckons our politicians are corrupt, look stateside. We’re little league in comparison.
 
After campaigning against the EU for forty years, do you really think they'd have said 'oh well, we came close, let's call it a day'?

I don't, but he'd have been a voice in the wilderness for many years to come

Personally, if Remain had won 52%, I'd have accepted it, sat back and watched how the EU developed - or not developed. It would still be a can of worms
 
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I am definitely not a fan of Trump and agree with most if not all of the misgivings expressed by those who worry about where his presidency is taking the world, but in the above soundbite I would imagine, not having seen it in context, that what he was referring to was “what you are seeing on tv” and “reading in the newspapers”, how columnists and presenters choose to interpret and edit news to suit their own agenda, just as he likes to do in his utterances and those of his acolytes and devotees.
 
I am definitely not a fan of Trump and agree with most if not all of the misgivings expressed by those who worry about where his presidency is taking the world, but in the above soundbite I would imagine, not having seen it in context, that what he was referring to was “what you are seeing on tv” and “reading in the newspapers”, how columnists and presenters choose to interpret and edit news to suit their own agenda, just as he likes to do in his utterances and those of his acolytes and devotees.

Well yes, we don't know the context for that soundbite, but I would say it fits in with his whole 'fake news' tactic for any real news that reflects badly on him. We got a good taste of this when he was over here recently. He gave that interview to the Sun - criticising May's Brexit proposals, saying she'd ignored his advice, and praising Boris Johnson - and then when asked about it in a presser the next day, he said it was fake news, seemingly unaware (or not caring) that they'd released the audio of him saying exactly what he was denying having said. He's got to the point where he can persuade his supporters to believe, or disbelieve, just about anything. Didn't he say he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any voters? I reckon he could.
 
Well yes, we don't know the context for that soundbite, but I would say it fits in with his whole 'fake news' tactic for any real news that reflects badly on him. We got a good taste of this when he was over here recently. He gave that interview to the Sun - criticising May's Brexit proposals, saying she'd ignored his advice, and praising Boris Johnson - and then when asked about it in a presser the next day, he said it was fake news, seemingly unaware (or not caring) that they'd released the audio of him saying exactly what he was denying having said. He's got to the point where he can persuade his supporters to believe, or disbelieve, just about anything. Didn't he say he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose any voters? I reckon he could.
I don’t think his supporters care, they know who he is and what he is like. See Bobbys post below. What he says isn’t important, and neither is what he does in non Presidential matters. As long as he delivers, or is seen to be trying to deliver on their interests they will ignore his obvious ethical and intellectual shortcomings. Plus he has the great advantage of not being Hilary Clinton, not playing by the old elite’s rules.
i found this quite an interesting read about why trump has a lot of support.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/23/liberals-donald-trump-support
 
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By happy coincidence Armistice Day, November 11, falls on Remembrance Sunday this year, the centenary of the end of the Great War.

Some members of the House of Lords have called for the shops to be closed on this day, just the once. I wholeheartedly agree, a good way to get those who may be a little ignorant of our past and the sacrifices ordinary people made to be reminded of it, through a little personal inconvenience (though I hope that people on low wages would still get them). It won’t happen of course, the damage to GDP would be too much....shopping is our saviour.

Just realised that I won’t be in the country on that day, so it’s really none of my business. I have set a reminder in my phone so 11.00 on 11/11/18 doesn’t slip by unnoticed.