Off Topic The Politics Thread

[West London Willy]

Will you feel the same if he brings about the denuclearisation of North Korea?

Yes. As Beth says, this isn't something he's done (if it happens). It's come about by a number of things - their inability to test any further, their successful missile launches to date, and the renewed dialogue between them and the south post-winter olympics.

Trump has masses of history taking credit for things he had no part in.

And anyway, I've not seen anywhere outside of politicians trying to big themselves up, that NK are going to 'denuclearize'. That would mean getting rid of what they have, and they they won't be doing that.

So no - my feelings about Trump won't change. The sooner he's either impeached, imprisoned, or a competent doctor removed him from office like ronny Jackson should have done, the better for America and the world.

 

[kiwiqpr]

I honestly don't get the hatred of trump
He is the president of a country most of us can't even vote in
He has played to the emotions of the country people can vote for him in
He is trying to complete the promises he was voted in for
If other things fall his way why wouldn't he try to take advantage of them
Every other world leader would do the same
Or is trump bad all other two legged career politicians good

 

[Willhoops]

I honestly don't get the hatred of trump
He is the president of a country most of us can't even vote in
He has played to the emotions of the country people can vote for him in
He is trying to complete the promises he was voted in for
If other things fall his way why wouldn't he try to take advantage of them
Every other world leader would do the same
Or is trump bad all other two legged career politicians good

Where to start, the 20 plus formal allegations of sexual assault? (remember most allegations can't be proved outright and over 20 is quite a number)
That he's a pathological liar?
He bangs on about free speech, but when a sports star decides to take a knee to the National Anthem to protest an issue he feels strongly about, he calls for the guy and anyone else who does it to be sacked, the last time I checked he is no longer playing professionally.
His ****ing creepy **** he goes on about his daughter.
His mental and childish twitter rants.
Anyone in office who questions him gets sacked, it's the actions of a wannabe dictator
The call on a flight ban on Islamic countries.... well not all, not the ones where he has strong business interests ... oh and the terrorists who carried out 9/11 were actually from.

 

[West London Willy]

Add to that:

The fact that he has appointed:

• a Pharma CEO who doubled the cost of insulin overnight, as Health Secretary
• a war-monger who proudly hates Muslims as Defense secretary
• a climate change denier whose fortune was made from fossil fuels as Environment Secretary
• an anti-civil rights activist as Justice Secretary
• a corrupt Goldman Sachs banker as Treasury Secretary
• a major donor who admittedly hates public schools and has never visited one, as Education Secretary
• a handbag designer as his chief advisor (who just happens to be the daughter he wanted to date)
• a surgeon with zero experience as Housing Secretary
• a climate change denier with ZERO science background or experience as head of NASA
• and he's trying to appoint his personal doctor (a man who said he was in perfect health, and who is himself being investigated for being drunk on duty, acting as a drug dealer within the White House, and alleged threatening behavior towards women whilst drunk) as Veterans Secretary

The fact that he tweets incessantly - except when he ought to, like about when black people would be shown in a good light.
The fact that his appointed Budget Director, Mick Mulvaney, is on record as saying he won't talk to anyone that doesn't pay him.
The fact that he paid off ONE of his porn star mistresses, almost certainly with election fund money, whom he slept with whilst his third wife was nursing their newborn son.
The fact that he cheated on his second wife with many women, including the one now his third wife.
The fact that he cheated on his first wife with many women, one of which became his second wife.
The fact that he's on record bragging about sexual assault.
The fact that he's allegedly paid off women who have borne him children.
The fact that he's spending as much on the military as the next twelve countries combined, and yet people are still unable to get the medical care they need to survive.
The fact that he's launching an all out attack on transgender people across the country
The fact that he gave a $1.5 trillion tax cut to the top 1% and they are now looking to cut essential services to pay for it.
The fact that he has called Nazis 'very good people'
The fact that his response to the disaster in Puerto Rico was to toss paper towels at them.
The fact that he still hasn't admitted his 'birther' conspiracy against Obama was a lie
The fact that he consistently tweets slurs (such as 'sleepy eyes' at Chuck Todd, a Jewish reporter, or 'Pocahontas' at Elizabeth Warren)
The fact that he has spent a third of his time in office at his own resorts, at taxpayer expense.
The fact that he's in it up to his neck with the Russians.

That's just off the top of my head.

There's so much. He's the most ignorant, racist, corrupt, bigoted, lying, cheating sack of **** you could possibly imagine.

 

[Willhoops]

Add to that:

The fact that he has appointed:

• a Pharma CEO who doubled the cost of insulin overnight, as Health Secretary
• a war-monger who proudly hates Muslims as Defense secretary
• a climate change denier whose fortune was made from fossil fuels as Environment Secretary
• an anti-civil rights activist as Justice Secretary
• a corrupt Goldman Sachs banker as Treasury Secretary
• a major donor who admittedly hates public schools and has never visited one, as Education Secretary
• a handbag designer as his chief advisor (who just happens to be the daughter he wanted to date)
• a surgeon with zero experience as Housing Secretary
• a climate change denier with ZERO science background or experience as head of NASA
• and he's trying to appoint his personal doctor (a man who said he was in perfect health, and who is himself being investigated for being drunk on duty, acting as a drug dealer within the White House, and alleged threatening behavior towards women whilst drunk) as Veterans Secretary

The fact that he tweets incessantly - except when he ought to, like about when black people would be shown in a good light.
The fact that his appointed Budget Director, Mick Mulvaney, is on record as saying he won't talk to anyone that doesn't pay him.
The fact that he paid off ONE of his porn star mistresses, almost certainly with election fund money, whom he slept with whilst his third wife was nursing their newborn son.
The fact that he cheated on his second wife with many women, including the one now his third wife.
The fact that he cheated on his first wife with many women, one of which became his second wife.
The fact that he's on record bragging about sexual assault.
The fact that he's allegedly paid off women who have borne him children.
The fact that he's spending as much on the military as the next twelve countries combined, and yet people are still unable to get the medical care they need to survive.
The fact that he's launching an all out attack on transgender people across the country
The fact that he gave a $1.5 trillion tax cut to the top 1% and they are now looking to cut essential services to pay for it.
The fact that he has called Nazis 'very good people'
The fact that his response to the disaster in Puerto Rico was to toss paper towels at them.
The fact that he still hasn't admitted his 'birther' conspiracy against Obama was a lie
The fact that he consistently tweets slurs (such as 'sleepy eyes' at Chuck Todd, a Jewish reporter, or 'Pocahontas' at Elizabeth Warren)
The fact that he has spent a third of his time in office at his own resorts, at taxpayer expense.
The fact that he's in it up to his neck with the Russians.

That's just off the top of my head.

There's so much. He's the most ignorant, racist, corrupt, bigoted, lying, cheating sack of **** you could possibly imagine.

Yeah that too Thanks Willy

 

[Stroller]

Well said, sir.

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[durbar2003]

Yes. As Beth says, this isn't something he's done (if it happens). It's come about by a number of things - their inability to test any further, their successful missile launches to date, and the renewed dialogue between them and the south post-winter olympics.

Trump has masses of history taking credit for things he had no part in.

And anyway, I've not seen anywhere outside of politicians trying to big themselves up, that NK are going to 'denuclearize'. That would mean getting rid of what they have, and they they won't be doing that.

So no - my feelings about Trump won't change. The sooner he's either impeached, imprisoned, or a competent doctor removed him from office like ronny Jackson should have done, the better for America and the world.

From when he was elected Trump had started bashing North Korea and the still tested and threatened. Trump ramped the threats up and sent a small armada of warships off the the Korean coast. I know hes a fool and an idiot but in this case hes actually achieved something. Dont believe everything you read in the Sun.

 

[West London Willy]

From when he was elected Trump had started bashing North Korea and the still tested and threatened. Trump ramped the threats up and sent a small armada of warships off the the Korean coast. I know hes a fool and an idiot but in this case hes actually achieved something. Dont believe everything you read in the Sun.

Don't read the sun. But nice try.

My sources come from all over. Yours appears to come just from Fox News.

Trump has form claiming responsibility for the actions of others or the happenstance that occurs despite his dangerous rhetoric or childish outbursts which actually brought us closer to war than to peace. Remember, he claimed responsibility for a strong US economy for over a year, despite not getting a budget passed (so all Obama's success). When he DID get a budget passed (after two Government shutdowns, the only two times this has happened when the same party holds the WH, Congress, AND Senate) we're now looking at a steep decline in the US economy and a hugely increased deficit. I'm not at all surprised he and his sheep are claiming a victory - there's precious little 'winning' going on, and so they claim everything they can, despite the fact he had nothing to do with it.

 

[durbar2003]

Don't read the sun. But nice try.

My sources come from all over. Yours appears to come just from Fox News.

Trump has form claiming responsibility for the actions of others or the happenstance that occurs despite his dangerous rhetoric or childish outbursts which actually brought us closer to war than to peace. Remember, he claimed responsibility for a strong US economy for over a year, despite not getting a budget passed (so all Obama's success). When he DID get a budget passed (after two Government shutdowns, the only two times this has happened when the same party holds the WH, Congress, AND Senate) we're now looking at a steep decline in the US economy and a hugely increased deficit. I'm not at all surprised he and his sheep are claiming a victory - there's precious little 'winning' going on, and so they claim everything they can, despite the fact he had nothing to do with it.

Willy, you're changing the subject. You and were were talking about Korea. I know he's an idiot.

 

[West London Willy]

Willy, you're changing the subject. You and were were talking about Korea. I know he's an idiot.

No - we were all talking about Trump. You mentioned NK (which changed the subject in your eyes but not mine) and I tied the two topics together. Don't try to slither away from that, mate...

 

[durbar2003]

Add to that:

The fact that he has appointed:

• a Pharma CEO who doubled the cost of insulin overnight, as Health Secretary
• a war-monger who proudly hates Muslims as Defense secretary
• a climate change denier whose fortune was made from fossil fuels as Environment Secretary
• an anti-civil rights activist as Justice Secretary
• a corrupt Goldman Sachs banker as Treasury Secretary
• a major donor who admittedly hates public schools and has never visited one, as Education Secretary
• a handbag designer as his chief advisor (who just happens to be the daughter he wanted to date)
• a surgeon with zero experience as Housing Secretary
• a climate change denier with ZERO science background or experience as head of NASA
• and he's trying to appoint his personal doctor (a man who said he was in perfect health, and who is himself being investigated for being drunk on duty, acting as a drug dealer within the White House, and alleged threatening behavior towards women whilst drunk) as Veterans Secretary

The fact that he tweets incessantly - except when he ought to, like about when black people would be shown in a good light.
The fact that his appointed Budget Director, Mick Mulvaney, is on record as saying he won't talk to anyone that doesn't pay him.
The fact that he paid off ONE of his porn star mistresses, almost certainly with election fund money, whom he slept with whilst his third wife was nursing their newborn son.
The fact that he cheated on his second wife with many women, including the one now his third wife.
The fact that he cheated on his first wife with many women, one of which became his second wife.
The fact that he's on record bragging about sexual assault.
The fact that he's allegedly paid off women who have borne him children.
The fact that he's spending as much on the military as the next twelve countries combined, and yet people are still unable to get the medical care they need to survive.
The fact that he's launching an all out attack on transgender people across the country
The fact that he gave a $1.5 trillion tax cut to the top 1% and they are now looking to cut essential services to pay for it.
The fact that he has called Nazis 'very good people'
The fact that his response to the disaster in Puerto Rico was to toss paper towels at them.
The fact that he still hasn't admitted his 'birther' conspiracy against Obama was a lie
The fact that he consistently tweets slurs (such as 'sleepy eyes' at Chuck Todd, a Jewish reporter, or 'Pocahontas' at Elizabeth Warren)
The fact that he has spent a third of his time in office at his own resorts, at taxpayer expense.
The fact that he's in it up to his neck with the Russians.

That's just off the top of my head.

There's so much. He's the most ignorant, racist, corrupt, bigoted, lying, cheating sack of **** you could possibly imagine.

All that and he was elected as President of the United States, go figure!

 

[durbar2003]

By the way Willy, what part of the States do you live in?

 

[West London Willy]

By the way Willy, what part of the States do you live in?

And that has... what, do do with it?

You've just been talking about North Korea. I assume you don't live there. I know for a fact Trump doesn't live there. he also doesn't live in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel, or anywhere else he's trying to involve himself.

So I repeat - what has that got to do with anything?

 

[West London Willy]

All that and he was elected as President of the United States, go figure!

It's incredible how many lies some people are willing to swallow. Especially when they are being fed those lines in the form of targeted misinformation courtesy of Cambridge Analytica and Russia.

 

[Stroller]

It's incredible how many lies some people are willing to swallow. Especially when they are being fed those lines in the form of targeted misinformation courtesy of Cambridge Analytica and Russia.

Like Brexit - oops!

 

[durbar2003]

And that has... what, do do with it?

You've just been talking about North Korea. I assume you don't live there. I know for a fact Trump doesn't live there. he also doesn't live in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel, or anywhere else he's trying to involve himself.

So I repeat - what has that got to do with anything?

Just wondered why youre so pissed off with someone you didn't and couldn't vote for. You should worry more about that anti semitic Corbyn.


n

 

[West London Willy]

Just wondered why youre so pissed off with someone you didn't and couldn't vote for. You should worry more about that anti semitic Corbyn.


n

Dunno about you, but I can worry about many things at once, and be angry at many things at once.

Anti-semitism is abhorrent. All racism and discrimination is, whatever the 'difference' is that triggers the reaction.

Trump takes it to a whole new level though. Remember when he mocked that disabled reporter and his hordes bayed their approval? remember when he said he could shoot someone in the head on 5th Avenue and people would still vote for him? Remember when he attacked Hillary Clinton for a supposedly unsecure email server, but he keeps using his own, unsecure phone instead of a secure official one?

Remember what he said about Colin Kapernick and the other black athletes who dared to choose a time to protest that he couldn't pretend that he missed, or ignore? Remember what he said about the Nazi rallies? Remember what he said about the unarmed black hero who saved many lives when he disarmed the shooter in the Waffle House this week (yeah that's right - NOTHING!)

Where I am in the world has nothing to do with my incredulity and abhorrence at his words and actions, which are potentially damaging the US beyond reasonable repair.

does that answer your question?

 

[West London Willy]

Like Brexit - oops!

Well, yes.

 

[durbar2003]

Dunno about you, but I can worry about many things at once, and be angry at many things at once.

Anti-semitism is abhorrent. All racism and discrimination is, whatever the 'difference' is that triggers the reaction.

Trump takes it to a whole new level though. Remember when he mocked that disabled reporter and his hordes bayed their approval? remember when he said he could shoot someone in the head on 5th Avenue and people would still vote for him? Remember when he attacked Hillary Clinton for a supposedly unsecure email server, but he keeps using his own, unsecure phone instead of a secure official one?

Remember what he said about Colin Kapernick and the other black athletes who dared to choose a time to protest that he couldn't pretend that he missed, or ignore? Remember what he said about the Nazi rallies? Remember what he said about the unarmed black hero who saved many lives when he disarmed the shooter in the Waffle House this week (yeah that's right - NOTHING!)

Where I am in the world has nothing to do with my incredulity and abhorrence at his words and actions, which are potentially damaging the US beyond reasonable repair.

does that answer your question?

You worry for no reason, he will be gone in two years.

 

[Willhoops]

Dunno about you, but I can worry about many things at once, and be angry at many things at once.

Anti-semitism is abhorrent. All racism and discrimination is, whatever the 'difference' is that triggers the reaction.

Trump takes it to a whole new level though. Remember when he mocked that disabled reporter and his hordes bayed their approval? remember when he said he could shoot someone in the head on 5th Avenue and people would still vote for him? Remember when he attacked Hillary Clinton for a supposedly unsecure email server, but he keeps using his own, unsecure phone instead of a secure official one?

Remember what he said about Colin Kapernick and the other black athletes who dared to choose a time to protest that he couldn't pretend that he missed, or ignore? Remember what he said about the Nazi rallies? Remember what he said about the unarmed black hero who saved many lives when he disarmed the shooter in the Waffle House this week (yeah that's right - NOTHING!)

Where I am in the world has nothing to do with my incredulity and abhorrence at his words and actions, which are potentially damaging the US beyond reasonable repair.

does that answer your question?

And he backed Roy Moore, not even Alabama voted him in!!