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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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bobmid said:
I don't mean your post is bollocks I mean in general
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I write as much bollocks as the next man, but judge a man by his friends and Corbyn has called Hamas his friends, who want to erase the state of Israel from the face of the earth, and before he was leader, entertained a number of pro Palestinian Holocaust deniers. Those are facts.
 
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I really don't understand people's obsession with Corbyn. He's not even in power ffs.
The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process,” he said.
It's all tit for tat mate. Could quite easily put a picture of Theresa May (the one in power) meeting with her Saudi friends.
You seem too bright to.be fooled by all this propaganda.
 
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bobmid said:
I really don't understand people's obsession with Corbyn. He's not even in power ffs.
The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process,” he said.
It's all tit for tat mate. Could quite easily put a picture of Theresa May (the one in power) meeting with her Saudi friends.
You seem too bright to.be fooled by all this propaganda.
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We clearly aren't going to agree, Bob, but the focus is on Corbyn because he's telling everyone he will be the next prime minister. If we were talking Vince Cable, he could be caught dogging and it would make few column inches. If all the antisemitic criticism was coming from Tories and the Tory press, you'd have a point, but it's coming from Labour members. There's a cancer and Corbyn shows no genuine sign of cutting it out.
 
bobmid said:
I really don't understand people's obsession with Corbyn. He's not even in power ffs.
The language I used at that meeting was actually here in parliament and it was about encouraging the meeting to go ahead, encouraging there to be a discussion about the peace process,” he said.
It's all tit for tat mate. Could quite easily put a picture of Theresa May (the one in power) meeting with her Saudi friends.
You seem too bright to.be fooled by all this propaganda.
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The establishment (which includes the right wing of the Labour party) are frightened of Corbyn and will seek any reason to vilify him. I don't believe he's a racist, an anti-Semite, or a terrorist - he just has beliefs and attitudes which scare them, because if he became PM he might be a threat to their wealth and power. Goldie has no better knowledge of Corbyn than I do, but he's convinced by the right-wing media. I'm not.
 
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Do you think the government through Amber 'Alert' Rudd is correct in withdrawing UK citizenship for Alexander Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, the two surviving members of the so-called IS 'Beatles' (somewhat offensive monicker), or do you think they should be brought back here for trial?

Personally, I wouldn't lose any sleep if the Kurdish forces took them somewhere quiet and dispensed with them permanently. I support the removal of their citizenship, as why the hell we'd want them back over here, standing trial presumably at UK taxpayer's expense and being a couple of fanny magnets for every impressionable muslim fundamentalist, beats me. Better we send a clear message to the rest of their ilk. **** 'em.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Do you think the government through Amber 'Alert' Rudd is correct in withdrawing UK citizenship for Alexander Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, the two surviving members of the so-called IS 'Beatles' (somewhat offensive monicker), or do you think they should be brought back here for trial?

Personally, I wouldn't lose any sleep if the Kurdish forces took them somewhere quiet and dispensed with them permanently. I support the removal of their citizenship, as why the hell we'd want them back over here, standing trial presumably at UK taxpayer's expense and being a couple of fanny magnets for every impressionable muslim fundamentalist, beat me. Better we send a clear message to the rest of their ilk. **** 'em.
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<applause> <applause> <applause>

Well said that man
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Do you think the government through Amber 'Alert' Rudd is correct in withdrawing UK citizenship for Alexander Kotey and El Shafee Elsheikh, the two surviving members of the so-called IS 'Beatles' (somewhat offensive monicker), or do you think they should be brought back here for trial?

Personally, I wouldn't lose any sleep if the Kurdish forces took them somewhere quiet and dispensed with them permanently. I support the removal of their citizenship, as why the hell we'd want them back over here, standing trial presumably at UK taxpayer's expense and being a couple of fanny magnets for every impressionable muslim fundamentalist, beat me. Better we send a clear message to the rest of their ilk. **** 'em.
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Did they give any of their innocent victims a fair trial? No, they relished in torturing in ever more sadistic ways before eventually executing them with no mercy or respect. Cowardly in the extreme wearing masks and clearly thinking they were untouchable. But like all arrogant bullies, when caught they squeal about their rights and even use their mothers as a sympathy tool.

These pieces of sh*t are not worth wasting a penny of taxpayer's money on and ideally will be given the same mercy they showed their victims. Sadly you just know the do-gooders will take up their case and we'll end up with them in a cushy number as 'victims'...
 
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Sooperhoop said:
Did they give any of their innocent victims a fair trial? No, they relished in torturing in ever more sadistic ways before eventually executing them with no mercy or respect. Cowardly in the extreme wearing masks and clearly thinking they were untouchable. But like all arrogant bullies, when caught they squeal about their rights and even use their mothers as a sympathy tool.

These pieces of sh*t are not worth wasting a penny of taxpayer's money on and ideally will be given the same mercy they showed their victims. Sadly you just know the do-gooders will take up their case and we'll end up with them in a cushy number as 'victims'...
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Advocating this makes you no better than they are - you know that right?
 
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kiwiqpr said:
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Wandsworth. Child services rated as inadequate.

The difference is Tories voting for poor kids to be more disadvantaged. Special needs kids from Wandsworth are educated in Lambeth because there isn't enough money in Wandsworth to care for them properly.

A Labour council picking up the pieces so wealthy Tories can pay less and the Tory party can crow about 'fiscal responsibility'.

https://www.ft.com/content/5d94c22c-333e-11e8-b5bf-23cb17fd1498
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
If someone punches you for no reason, and you punch them back, who has moral superiority?
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Neither - you lower yourself to that level and are then open to charges of assault (or worse depending on the severity of the injury inflicted) - I sure you know that.

Also. What constitutes 'no reason' in this instance?
 
seagullhoop said:
Neither - you lower yourself to that level and are then open to charges of assault (or worse depending on the severity of the injury inflicted) - I sure you know that.
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Neither? In my example, it would be self-defence if the punch back was spontaneous and used reasonable force. The aggressor would be prosecuted for assault.

On the bigger picture, I believe some extreme criminals behave in a way that should take them outside human rights law protection. Some examples - those responsible for genocide, torturers, those who commit child sexual abuse and murder their victim

These two ISIS torturers were responsible for beheadings and crucifixions, and should fall outside human rights laws. I hope they are tried in Iraq and spend the rest of their lives in an Iraqi jail.
 
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Neither? In my example, it would be self-defence if the punch back was spontaneous and used reasonable force.

On the bigger picture, I believe some extreme criminals behave in a way that should take them outside human rights law protection. Some examples - those responsible for genocide, torturers, those who commit child sexual abuse and murder their victim

These two ISIS torturers were responsible for beheadings and crucifixions, and should fall outside human rights laws. I hope they are tried in Iraq and spend the rest of their lives in an Iraqi jail.
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"...ideally will be given the same mercy they showed their victims" - Your words... which make you the same as them.

It's only by adhering to the rule of law, giving people a proper trial and allowing them a full and proper defence that we raise ourselves above their level.

At it's most basic level it's what makes us 'better' than them - if we choose to descend to their level then what's the difference between us?
 
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"...ideally will be given the same mercy they showed their victims" - Your words... which make you the same as them.

It's only by adhering to the rule of law, giving people a proper trial and allowing them a full and proper defines that we raise ourselves above their level.

At it's most basic level it's what makes us 'better' than them - if we choose to descend to their level then what's the difference between us?
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Not my words. The original post was Sooperhoops's. I doubt he intended that these people were not given a fair trial, but he can speak for himself.

What I'm saying is (1) that a perpetrator is always worse than someone who hits back with reasonable force. (2) I hope these offenders will be tried in a place that will not offer soft justice and (3) it's time that Human Rights in Europe (including the UK) excludes offenders guilty of the most heinous crimes, and offers them fewer rights.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Not my words. The original post was Sooperhoops's. I doubt he intended that these people were not given a fair trial, but he can speak for himself.

What I'm saying is (1) that a perpetrator is always worse than someone who hits back with reasonable force. (2) I hope these offenders will be tried in a place that will not offer soft justice and (3) it's time that Human Rights in Europe (including the UK) excludes offenders guilty of the most heinous crimes, and offers them fewer rights.
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Apologies... I thought I was quoting you.
 
seagullhoop said:
Advocating this makes you no better than they are - you know that right?
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Their crimes were committed in a foreign land and they are now subject to the laws of that land. They are officially no longer British citizens.
If they are guilty they will get the appropriate justice according to those laws. I'm sure if one of your family was executed by them you might not be so benevolent towards them...
 
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