agree and there needs to be because they have just lost their biggest net contributor.
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They may need to when they have to defend Estonia or one of the other Russian targets.
I did read it and there will be a Euro-army because Germany and France want one and they pull all the strings. Besides can you imagine some of the eastern block countries saying "no'?
Well I can't imagine it getting past a veto, no.
I have read the same, but it all boils down to agreement on all sides or a compromise that neither the UK or Ireland for a start would be prepared to make.
What does supporting and believing in your country mean, exactly? Agreeing with you? What’s British about giving in, agreeing to something you strongly believe is wrong and which will damage your country?
You claim that we haven’t seen any of the doom and gloom results of Brexit (even though it hasn’t happened yet) that were predicted (apart from austerity being extended for another five years). Enlighten me as to the amazing benefits we have seen so far. People were told this would make their lives better - any examples of that?
I do think this is a really interesting point... being positive is one thing, but we have nothing to be positive about... no detail... no assessments... no substance... seriously no-one in their right minds would buy a washing machine or a car on the basis of the sellers' say so, but we are being expected to make arguably the most important decision of our (and our children's) lives based on the say so of a cabal of vastly wealthy individuals that expect us to just acquiesce like good little proles.
In a climate where distrust of politicians is rife... that kind of blind trust is in pretty short supply. Especially since the only reason the referendum was called was because the PM at the time used it as a vote of confidence and insurance against the rise of UKIP... and lost.
Here is one good thing that has happened. Our Prime minister doesn't have to sit in the boring meetings in Brussels trying to achieve something they will never let her have. That is over now. That's a 'benefit'
Here are some more. Sadly like I said yesterday people are not excepting good news or ignoring it. Here are 2 nicely explained articles.
The Good News on Brexit They’re Not Telling You
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/opinion/brexit-european-union-good-news.html
There is plenty of good Brexit news, we’re just ignoring it
When Brexit good news does crack the surface it is routinely skewed too. “Despite Brexit” reporting is an editorial technique that particular newspapers excel at. Should the UK’s economy prove “resilient”, it is despite, never because of, Brexit. If ever there was a case of cognitive dissonance it’s this method of rationalising every failed gloomy prediction. Spot on
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/brexit-media-coverage-ignores-good-news-theres-lots/
As for the pound....
The pound surged to $1.3691 on Friday - the highest since the result of the EU referendum in June 2016 was known - on reports that Spain and the Netherlands are willing to back a soft Brexit deal.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-gains-despite-dip-in-oil-price-business-live
Pound hits highest level since Brexit vote
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42661361
Remoaners can stick that in their croissants
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Funnily we were told by many that Farage was an 'idiot' and he didn't know what he was talking about and now the usual suspects hang on to his every word? funny that?
Funnily we were told by many that Farage was an 'idiot' and he didn't know what he was talking about and now the usual suspects hang on to his every word? funny that?
I don't believe I ever said he's an idiot. He is a devious, lying, racist hypocrite though. Unfinished business Nige.
So the pound surged on the suggestion that we might end up with a 'soft' Brexit - which is the description normally used for staying in the Single Market. Imagine how much further it would surge if we didn't leave at all.
You're the only one who has admitted to not wanting referendums. So presumably everyone else on here is happy with them? (No..........wait!!)
I'm torn about them myself to be honest. Then I hear people like Ken Clarke saying that "the people can't be trusted to make the right decision" and I immediately think "**** you", give me a vote. I believe that the present class of politicians, of all colours, are without doubt, the worst in as long as I can remember. They're all either inept, self-serving, corrupt, terrorist supporting, elitist, untrustworthy inadequate idiots and I wouldn't trust any of them to make a decision that is in my Country's best interest.
Either we have referendums and abide by their results (the latest one was indeed advisory, but the Government made it clear that if we voted to leave, that is what would happen. It wasn't a difficult question.........stay or leave. I knew exactly what I was voting for, but hey, we've done all that to death).
I suppose that, in an ideal World, I'd like to have no referendums and feel able to rely on my elected politicians to make enough good decisions. As things stand, that feels like putting the leader of North Korea in charge of the USA's nuclear arsenal!!
Often it seems to me that our politicians are completely out of step with public opinion, mainly because so many of them live in their elitist bubble, so on balance, I'd stick with giving the people a say on huge questions like leaving the EU.
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They were basically summaries of specific industries with some analysis of future risks and opportunities - but not including Brexit.. In fairness there are so many possible negotiated outcomes that they would only have been guesswork anyway. And that is exactly what they should have said.
Costs me a extra £200 a month at the moment ... I can live with that
Ellers is right imo it will just be swings and roundabouts re money.
None of us will care that’s to say it will absorbed as natural life
Making Britain Great again however will be and is a very pipe dream. It’s a win win for me personally as I can live either place depending on current values at the time
I certainly hope for a revolutionary approach that completely shatters the south of England and brings in a equilibrium on house prices.
I would love to see that
As for competing on trade then that’s a massive revolution required and may take decades or generations. Our logistics of transportation for example will require a massive overhaul nationally to give our any chance of getting anywhere close to our neighbours. Getting goods from AtoB to buy or sell can’t cope now. The entire subject is on a knife edge imo just one factor cripples everything.
Goods and margins in the U.K. are currently cut to the bone now... we have never had it so good. Price wars and fierce competition keeps it that way. From this it’s logical to see rise across the board . I can only see casualties here.
The amount the pound is worth could be irrelevant if what you get for it in the future is less. Household budgets imo are not that far removed from business ... the average national household debt in the U.K. we know is the highest in Europe across the regional and so called invisible class systems.
Making Britain great again in the minds of nationists is a pipe dream albeit a good one
My only fear that I base my opinions on is we have spent too much time blaming other people for the nations failings and time has overtaken us to a point whereupon it looks impossible to change that culture .
We are in this mess because we made our own history we sold out in effect and now are left with people saying that’s not fair ... it’s not fair ... it’s immigration. With a divided people who can’t agree or unite on jack **** in what world does that look promising ?
Remainers and Brexiteers we are all a bunch of twats ... we do not have the culture or mind set to recover couple that with weak politics it’s looks massive to me.
Sorry but I am very much guilty of being I’m alright jack and wanting the best for my family ... it’s the true Anglo Saxon way
I have the pride in being able to speak the truth that I am a hypocrite.
Stick that in two slices of white bread
Ellers is right imo it will just be swings and roundabouts re money.
None of us will care that’s to say it will absorbed as natural life
Making Britain Great again however will be and is a very pipe dream. It’s a win win for me personally as I can live either place depending on current values at the time
I certainly hope for a revolutionary approach that completely shatters the south of England and brings in a equilibrium on house prices.
I would love to see that
As for competing on trade then that’s a massive revolution required and may take decades or generations. Our logistics of transportation for example will require a massive overhaul nationally to give our any chance of getting anywhere close to our neighbours. Getting goods from AtoB to buy or sell can’t cope now. The entire subject is on a knife edge imo just one factor cripples everything.
Goods and margins in the U.K. are currently cut to the bone now... we have never had it so good. Price wars and fierce competition keeps it that way. From this it’s logical to see rise across the board . I can only see casualties here.
The amount the pound is worth could be irrelevant if what you get for it in the future is less. Household budgets imo are not that far removed from business ... the average national household debt in the U.K. we know is the highest in Europe across the regional and so called invisible class systems.
Making Britain great again in the minds of nationists is a pipe dream albeit a good one
My only fear that I base my opinions on is we have spent too much time blaming other people for the nations failings and time has overtaken us to a point whereupon it looks impossible to change that culture .
We are in this mess because we made our own history we sold out in effect and now are left with people saying that’s not fair ... it’s not fair ... it’s immigration. With a divided people who can’t agree or unite on jack **** in what world does that look promising ?
Remainers and Brexiteers we are all a bunch of twats ... we do not have the culture or mind set to recover couple that with weak politics it’s looks massive to me.
Sorry but I am very much guilty of being I’m alright jack and wanting the best for my family ... it’s the true Anglo Saxon way
I have the pride in being able to speak the truth that I am a hypocrite.
Stick that in two slices of white bread
Zzzzzzzzzzz
You will be okay, you can live in France and come back to the UK when you need NHS or Dentist, or maybe cheaper food or may I say it QPR.
Lots of people live in EU don't want Brexit because it will upset their way of life so 'F22k' the ones that live in the UK.
No chance, things will change and people don't like it