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if both these pictures are of the same woman which google say they are then he is right about her needing a meal
i havnt voted in any election since i left due to the fact i dont think its fair for me to inflict a govt on people that will have no effect on my life
but ifthere is another referendum i might change that
but ifthere is another referendum i might change that
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Funnily enough some of us were discussing it in the pub earlier (yep - rock and roll again). Pretty much nobody would. Now I had always said I would go from remain to abstain as I don't think a second one is democratic, I would still feel compelled to vote but my heart wouldn't let me vote leave. Yes - I do get the inconsistency in that argument. But if more high profile leave campaigners supported it then I would vote remain again. It won't happen though so let's stop the distractions and get on with the bloody thingEvening all
Love reading the points by all on Brexit.
One question if I may
Would anybody on here actually change their vote?
Of course not, that would be an admission of fallibility. I’d rather cut my own arm off than show any sign of weakness. Isn’t that what being an Englishman is all about?Evening all
Love reading the points by all on Brexit.
One question if I may
Would anybody on here actually change their vote?
Besides, we are heading for a nice, gentle soft Brexit, which is why Farage, in a last desperate attempt to get a clean break, is interested in a second referendum.
My prediction:
We will technically leave
We will have free trade with the EU, but as result of staying in a form of the Customs Union (which should also sort out Ireland)
We will pay the £50bn or whatever it is
We will have access to the EU financial services market, because we will pay for it (in addition to the £50bn) and will agree to align with EU financial regulations
We will get Trade agreements with other countries, but only as an add on the agreements negotiated by the EU (being in the Customs Union will necessitate this)
Immigration will fall, but only because less people want to come here.
The process of getting to this stage will be torturous, chaotic and angst ridden.
Results: Some economic indicators will look good and some won’t, particularly wages and living standards. Corporate shareholders will be happy. Some sectors will suffer through lack of workforce through reduced immigration, but employment levels will be high. Our economic growth and productivity will continue to lag behind the major EU economies. There will be no extra money for public services or tax cuts.
Not as good as staying in, but bearable. The least happy people will be the stout yeoman Brexiters who thought Brexit would somehow make their lives better. They will continue to blame the EU, other foreigners and the enemy within for their unhappiness.
Then Corbyn will win a general election and Armageddon begins.
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It's not democracy to have a second referendum before the first one has been implemented.
I've read this a few times and it still bothers me. Either you are bewilderingly naïve on this, which seems improbable, or I am missing the irony of your post. Of course the numbers are crap, the true profits are hidden by means of complex transfer pricing mechanisms whereby the profits reside outside our tax ambit - a bit like these ****ing coffee purveyors that sell billions of unrecyclable cups of dirt, on which they make no discernible profit. Why would they bother, I wonder?
It wouldn't happen unless it would benefit the taxpayer - huh? It's pure black and white - the NHS will be properly funded under Labour and run into the ground under the Tories. The Tories want small State, low tax, and Labour wants slightly bigger State and a pretence that tax won't go up to pay for it. Underfunding state industries as a precursor to privatisation is page one of the Tory playbook,
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They have just been discussing that on the news and I agree. To answer Nuts. My mate and Mr's Ellers who were both 'Remoaners' said they would now vote leave.
Mr's Ellers, probably because she has had enough of my rhetoric but my mate said on Saturday that he would leave now as he felt that we would be better off in the long run.
I think the huge majority of leavers would not change their vote but maybe a few remainers might.
It won't happen anyway.
So you are suggesting that not only are they not paying tax on their (from my perspective) small profit, but they are also under declaring their profit? That’s fraud, you need more than a dislike of multinationals with offshore tax arrangements to make that claim.
Why would they bother is the right question though. About 10 years ago I worked with a couple of big (I.e huge) US healthcare providers who were thinking of setting up here, but neither of them could figure out how they would make any money at it. Simon Stevens, current head of the NHS, worked for one of them, United Health. And there was a lot more cash around the NHS then. The CCGs won’t be tendering contracts at higher cost than the services provided by NHS are delivered at.
The private sector is all over the NHS and always has been. Every drug used, every single piece of equipment, every disposable, are from the private sector. Drugs get to hospitals via private sector logistics firms (and always have) community pharmacies are private sector. And of course most consultants have a private practice and nearly all GPs are self employed, not NHS employees.
I’m afraid I don’t trust Corbyn Labour to properly run a piss up in a brewery, let alone the NHS. They can’t even kick the anti-semites out of their own party (or perhaps they don’t want to, who knows?) They will throw (our) money at it of course, but it needs trained, skilled clinicians as well and that will take a long time to achieve.
Frankly I couldn’t care less if health services are provided by the public sector or the private sector as long as they are high quality, accessible to all who need them, free at the point of delivery, and paid for out of progressive general taxation (ie the better off you are the more you pay). A fixation with public sector delivery is pure, redundant, ideology in my opinion. Although it suits the ideologists to blame the woes of the NHS on the private sector which accounts for less than 3% of its spending. The longer this ‘sacred cow’ thinking goes on the less likely we are to see meaningful progress on making sure we get health services fit for the future.
Underdeclaring profit in one tax jurisdiction by means of transferring it to another with lower tax rates is not fraud, sadly. It's just tax 'efficiency'.
Look at Starbucks.......
Starbucks reportedly paid just £8.6m in corporation tax in the UK over 14 years and nothing in the last four years - despite sales of £400m last year.
As part of its tax affairs, the firm transferred some money to a Dutch sister company in royalty payments, bought coffee beans from Switzerland and paid high interest rates to borrow from other parts of the business.
They just move the profits around until they wind up somewhere with low or zero tax rates. Dirty ****s.
You don't trust Corbyn with the NHS? OK, you don't like Corbyn, I get it, but don't dismiss the importance of keeping the NHS out of Tory hands. It's a simple fact that the NHS is currently disastrously underfunded because the Tories are in charge. To fund it properly requires increased taxes and the Tories are fundamentally opposed to that. Since Blair, Labour has been ****-scared of saying that they would raise taxes, but now the game has changed and we have a Labour party that will properly oppose the small state, low tax agenda. The Tories cannot be trusted with 'our' NHS as they seem to have decided they should keep calling it.
I warn you not to be ordinary;
I warn you not to be young;
I warn you not to fall ill;
And I warn you not to grow old’
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tis a hard life being a doctor
At least 500 NHS doctors will enjoy another 4 day conference in Val D’Isere on Monday 22 January, during the “#NHSWinterCrisis”. Here’s the current programme (with not a single event between 0930 and 1645 on any day) http://doctorsupdates.com/conferences/val-disere-winter-conference/…
hope the nhs isnt paying
There have been real terms increases to #NHS budget every year.
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What's that all about then, Kiwi? I suspect you don't really have a clue.
is it anything to do with him letting slip one of labours tax grab plans
bloody big coincidence if it aint
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Chris Williamson: blamed Grenfell on neoliberalism, praises dictatorships, called for women only train carriages, spread fake news on twitter, advocated deselecting Labour colleagues...but calling for higher council tax is what gets him sacked.
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The great thing about women only train carriages is that in the age of gender fluidity I can decide that I am a woman on days I take to the railways and go sit with the clunge.
There’s more space if they just sit on men’s laps.
Why is nobody ever held accountable to the crap we are constantly told. We vote for a party or even in the referendum for what lies suit us as an individual or family. It's frankly embarrassing to watch prime ministers question time on tv where the behaviour is reminiscent of a school playground. Politics is a web of one lie and false promises after another and we cast our votes on these untruths. It then becomes tit for tat amongst parties. The state of the NHS is there for everyone to witness and there is no denying it. For a service that involves life and death surely common ground must be sought to rectify this disastrous situation many find themselves entering.
Why would any party do what's best for the country and those living there when they can nit pick and try to score points for no reason other than the next days headlines
Mps probably get more holidays than teachers and the country most likely runs better without them
Nothing but trouble
Mps probably get more holidays than teachers and the country most likely runs better without them
Nothing but trouble