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Yes, probably, but that doesn't stop it being an issue for the government if it's happening. What will there is from any right wing government to fight for the people over huge corporations is another matter.
Not by me surely? Only kidding. You only talk cobblers some of the timeDon't quote me, I don't know what I'm talking about or so it has been said.
It's a matter for the particular industry regulator first, which is why the government have referred it to Offgem
Apparently there was an investigation into the energy market in 2016 which brought in over 30 new measures to promote competition & a better deal for consumers. Maybe all the CEO,s of the big firms meet up in the boozer once a month to fix prices ? I don't know.
Regarding right wing governments, as we haven't had one for 30 years who knows what their relationship with multi national corporations would be. I suspect the same as all other governments of all colours across the globe. Puppets.
I definitely did. I remember saying to Mrs Rangercol that if the worst happened and Comrade Corbyn won, at least my lad wouldn't have any Uni debts.
I think I remember Stan saying something similar too, or his wife did, or something. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.
I definitely did. I remember saying to Mrs Rangercol that if the worst happened and Comrade Corbyn won, at least my lad wouldn't have any Uni debts.
I think I remember Stan saying something similar too, or his wife did, or something. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Hearsay M'lud.
At least we now seem to be discussing people's perceptions of what Corbyn might have said. Can we all now agree that he never actually said that he would write-off existing debt and that he is therefore not the liar that you and others accused him of being?
I think all people on here should acknowledge politicians lie and suck and we should close this thread rather constantly argue about it We can restart this in May after the season has finished and we have nothing else to fill our lives.
I can agree that Corbyn never said specifically he would write off all the debt (some people from the party did).
Can you agree that the brexit campaign never explicitly said that the money we send to to brussels would go to the NHS?
I sense some kind of semantic trap. I don't see the two as comparable in any way.
Col we both said that about the Labour manifesto promise to do away with tuition fees in the future - good for your lad and my daughter who haven't gone to uni yet. As far as I know that is still Labour policy. I thought that the argument on here was about Corbyn's promise in an interview to do something about existing/historical student debt. It was a stupid thing to say if it hadn't been costed and wasn't actually an agreed manifesto policy, and may have influenced some people who have already graduated with debt to vote Labour.I definitely did. I remember saying to Mrs Rangercol that if the worst happened and Comrade Corbyn won, at least my lad wouldn't have any Uni debts.
I think I remember Stan saying something similar too, or his wife did, or something. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.
Consider yourself corrected young man.
Personally, and of course it's a matter of opinion, I think the Tories dropping their manifesto commitment to cap energy bills, especially because it is something that they would have got through Parliament with cross party support (unlike, say, grammar schools or dementia tax, also dropped), is a bigger illustration of cynicism, and may also have won them a few votes.
I don't think either materially changed the result of the election. May didn't get a majority because she's a bit ****, and a lot of the 'barely managing' voters she promised to help didn't believe her. Corbyn did better than expected because he made a lot of populist promises, but he didn't win because enough people saw through them.
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Now I am doubting my own sanity as I'm pretty sure that I remember him saying just that, or words to the effect that he would 'do something' about existing student debt, and thinking at the time that it was beyond the manifesto commitment.
Any way, **** it. What Corbyn has to do now is change his mind on staying in the single market and force a parliamentary vote on it in the autumn, and in the meantime actively work on getting Remain Tory MPs to vote with him. Will he compromise his anti EU principles? I think it's more likely than him explicitly denouncing Maduro, who is starving his own people as well as killing a few of them.
This is not the interview I remember, but here he is a week before the election saying 'he will deal with' historical student debt. He is of course right that it would be a big injustice that the generation which paid for tuition fees would be saddled with a debt that those who went to Uni before or after them didn't have.
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That is the interview that all the hysteria is based upon, and which I have quoted on here on numerous occasions (almost as many times as I posted the vid of all the Brexiteers saying we didn't need to leave the single market). He says that he is looking at ways to ameliorate the situation with existing debt, not that he would write it off. I think it's revealing as to just how scared the right are of Corbyn that they have parlayed this up into some kind of 'Liar Liar' scandal.
I remain confused as to what Corbyn's position is on Brexit. Hopefully the party conference will impose upon him a commitment to stay in the single market.
Loathe as I am to keep this going, in the 6 weeks since the election have Labour actually come up with a position on existing student debt? In a Kiwi-esque moment I can't be bothered to look it up myself.
Personally I think it's pretty clear where Corbyn stands on Brexit, it would be a denial of his Bennite credentials to be anything other that strongly for it. Like unilateral disarmament he is at odds with his party on this, hence the fudging.
The irony is that, if there was an election in the next few months (still possible) Labour would win on their last manifesto plus a pledge to stay in the Single Market (or even stay in the EU) and the same pledge would protect somewhat against the economic turmoil that the all knowing 'markets' will unleash upon us in the event of a Corbyn government - the turmoil which would make it impossible for him to deliver his manifesto. BIte the bullet Jezza.
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I think Corbyn has said that McDonnell is looking into what is possible regarding existing student debt, and they will make a statement in due course. Re Brexit, Corbyn should listen to his party. Re nuclear disarmament, the party should listen to Corbyn.
i have looked it up for you (not really...far too lazy for that type of thing) and they are going to close their eyes and hope it all goes away
failing that they will be sending out search parties in a holy grail like hunt for the money tree
You're wrong again, He said MacDonald's are looking to hire more students to help them pay off their debts.
Part of the reason student debt is so high is that left wing academics are charging astronomical fees for chancellorships. The vice-chancellor (so only a deputy) at Somerville, Oxford Uni gets over £400,000 pa - this for a public sector, essentially admin, job. Gravy train, and students get indebted for years as a result.