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[sb_73]

Brexit negotiations 'proper' start this week.

Charlie Gard - my personal views aside, his mother has just said on the radio that the experimental treatment available is an oral medication with no side effects (the latter statement is certainly not the case - no observed side effects in the tiny amount of humans who have taken it more accurate). In which case why not bring the drug to him rather than take him to the drug? One certainty of this - Great Ormond Street will end up with a specialist team for this very rare condition, which they don't have at the moment.

May to ask for cross party consensus on policy areas including Brexit today. She lacks the credibility and authority to do this, but Labour rubbish the offer before it's made. Crap politicians all over.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Brexit negotiations 'proper' start this week.

Charlie Gard - my personal views aside, his mother has just said on the radio that the experimental treatment available is an oral medication with no side effects (the latter statement is certainly not the case - no observed side effects in the tiny amount of humans who have taken it more accurate). In which case why not bring the drug to him rather than take him to the drug? One certainty of this - Great Ormond Street will end up with a specialist team for this very rare condition, which they don't have at the moment.

May to ask for cross party consensus on policy areas including Brexit today. She lacks the credibility and authority to do this, but Labour rubbish the offer before it's made. Crap politicians all over.

Charlie Gard - Great Ormond's Street's QC at court hearing -

"He cannot see, he cannot hear, he cannot make a noise, he cannot move."

"It is inhuman to permit that condition to continue."

 

[sb_73]

Charlie Gard - Great Ormond's Street's QC at court hearing -

"He cannot see, he cannot hear, he cannot make a noise, he cannot move."

"It is inhuman to permit that condition to continue."

It seems that little Charlie simply exists, he doesn't live. I think the argument is about whether he is actually suffering in this state. Personally though it would doubtless be the most difficult decision imaginable, I would hope that in a similar situation I would have the strength to decide to turn the ventilator off, or whatever they do (he cannot breathe unaided either). I do wonder why doctors seem to be able to give this advice in certain circumstances but not in others which include incredible suffering but not brain death/irreparable catastrophic damage.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

It seems that little Charlie simply exists, he doesn't live. I think the argument is about whether he is actually suffering in this state. Personally though it would doubtless be the most difficult decision imaginable, I would hope that in a similar situation I would have the strength to decide to turn the ventilator off, or whatever they do (he cannot breathe unaided either). I do wonder why doctors seem to be able to give this advice in certain circumstances but not in others which include incredible suffering but not brain death/irreparable catastrophic damage.

Agree. It's incredibly sad, but I feel for Charlie's sake, he should be allowed to slip away. I'd hate to see him as a guinea pig for medical science, in the US or elsewhere

 

[seagullhoop]

Brexit negotiations 'proper' start this week.

Charlie Gard - my personal views aside, his mother has just said on the radio that the experimental treatment available is an oral medication with no side effects (the latter statement is certainly not the case - no observed side effects in the tiny amount of humans who have taken it more accurate). In which case why not bring the drug to him rather than take him to the drug? One certainty of this - Great Ormond Street will end up with a specialist team for this very rare condition, which they don't have at the moment.

May to ask for cross party consensus on policy areas including Brexit today. She lacks the credibility and authority to do this, but Labour rubbish the offer before it's made. Crap politicians all over.

...to save her own skin - the the self interest is palpable.

Brexit is becoming more toxic by the day and with no plan and knives being sharpened in her own party she suddenly is asking for 'ideas' from other parties... you couldn't make this **** up.

 

[Stroller]

...to save her own skin - the the self interest is palpable.

Brexit is becoming more toxic by the day and with no plan and knives being sharpened in her own party she suddenly is asking for 'ideas' from other parties... you couldn't make this **** up.

If she'd said this when she first became leader it would have been a refreshing new approach, but saying it now just smacks of desperation.

A cross-party group led by Chuka Umunna and Anna Soubry has been set up to oppose the 'hard' Brexit course that she seems intent on. Perhaps she'll take their ideas on board.

 

[West London Willy]

Nearly vomited listening to the Republican Senator on the radio talking about how they were doing everything they could to save him, by giving him US citizenship and allowing the treatment - any treatment - that may help.

This from a senator that had voted for TrumpCare - throwing 23 million Americans off of healthcare, declaring hundreds of conditions pre-existing (ironically including the illness Charlie has - and removing access to Planned Parenthood for millions of women. Costs will spiral, and all to provide 800 billion dollars in tax breaks for the richest (of which he's probably one).

The very, very worst kind of political hypocrisy

 

[sb_73]

Nearly vomited listening to the Republican Senator on the radio talking about how they were doing everything they could to save him, by giving him US citizenship and allowing the treatment - any treatment - that may help.

This from a senator that had voted for TrumpCare - throwing 23 million Americans off of healthcare, declaring hundreds of conditions pre-existing (ironically including the illness Charlie has - and removing access to Planned Parenthood for millions of women. Costs will spiral, and all to provide 800 billion dollars in tax breaks for the richest (of which he's probably one).

The very, very worst kind of political hypocrisy

Don't forget the religionists muscling in on it too Willy. The Pope, whose creed holds that death by AIDs is preferable to using a condom, has his tuppence halfpenny worth. Everybody knows what is best for someone else it seems.

Thankfully there are enough Republicans to vote against repeal of Obamacare that they are endlessly delaying votes.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

...to save her own skin - the the self interest is palpable.

Brexit is becoming more toxic by the day and with no plan and knives being sharpened in her own party she suddenly is asking for 'ideas' from other parties... you couldn't make this **** up.

It does smack of desperation on the surface, I agree with you and Stroller. But it could also be a smart move. Corbyn the Eurosceptic will have to commit. He can't just stand on the side lines and carp at the final deal. Brexit is a major change to the UK, and it's right that all parties have a say in the final deal - this gives parties a say as the negotiations proceed. What's not to like?

 

[West London Willy]

Don't forget the religionists muscling in on it too Willy. The Pope, whose creed holds that death by AIDs is preferable to using a condom, has his tuppence halfpenny worth. Everybody knows what is best for someone else it seems.

Thankfully there are enough Republicans to vote against repeal of Obamacare that they are endlessly delaying votes.

Politicians certainly don't have the monopoly on hypocrisy mate. What sticks in my craw more with them is the reason they do it though. Basically what he's trying to do here is make himself look better - despite all the evidence - to fool people into letting him keep his well paid job.

The Pope - well I'm not sure exactly why he's saying what he is, but it's not so that he keeps his job. Pope Idol isn't yet a thing, I believe...

 

[West London Willy]

It does smack of desperation on the surface, I agree with you and Stroller. But it could also be a smart move. Corbyn the Eurosceptic will have to commit. He can't just stand on the side lines and carp at the final deal. Brexit is a major change to the UK, and it's right that all parties have a say in the final deal - this gives parties a say as the negotiations proceed. What's not to like?

Definitely a smart move. Corbyn, Sturgeon et al. now have to declare their actual position, something they haven't actually needed to do with any risk up to now. Hopefully, it'll be another exposure of why so many young voters really shouldn't have bought into the Jezza hype as much as they did, and what Scotland really wants to be seen as. I know Sturgeon wants it to be all about Indyref 2, but it's clearly not, as the recent results showed.

 

[durbar2003]

Nearly vomited listening to the Republican Senator on the radio talking about how they were doing everything they could to save him, by giving him US citizenship and allowing the treatment - any treatment - that may help.

This from a senator that had voted for TrumpCare - throwing 23 million Americans off of healthcare, declaring hundreds of conditions pre-existing (ironically including the illness Charlie has - and removing access to Planned Parenthood for millions of women. Costs will spiral, and all to provide 800 billion dollars in tax breaks for the richest (of which he's probably one).

The very, very worst kind of political hypocrisy

Willy, Senators have not voted on any Trump health care bills.

 

[Sooperhoop]

Foot in mouth moment, you really couldn't make it up...

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[sb_73]

Foot in mouth moment, you really couldn't make it up...

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In 2017 it is incredible that a phrase like that, even if not meant offensively, can even enter the head of an elected public official. Bizarre.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Foot in mouth moment, you really couldn't make it up...

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Stupid thing to say, she should have known better - but for me, not a hanging offence. She didn't call anyone a n***er. She's broadly the same age as me, and in my youth, n***er in a woodpile, eeny meeny miny moe, n***er brown shoe polish, gollyw*gs were all every day phrases, used habitually without any malicious intent and without any conscious thought that these originated by reference to black people. In the 1940's, bouncing bomb air ace Guy Gibson called his black labrador N***er, without, I'm sure, any intention of maligning black people.

We who grew up in the 60's have conditioned ourselves to use other phrases - Morris needs to write out "fly in the ointment" 50 times before going home.

 

[sb_73]

Stupid thing to say, she should have known better - but for me, not a hanging offence. She didn't call anyone a n***er. She's broadly the same age as me, and in my youth, n***er in a woodpile, eeny meeny miny moe, n***er brown shoe polish, gollyw*gs were all every day phrases, used habitually without any malicious intent and without any conscious thought that these originated by reference to black people. In the 1940's, bouncing bomb air ace Guy Gibson called his black labrador N***er, without, I'm sure, any intention of maligning black people.

We who grew up in the 60's have conditioned ourselves to use other phrases - Morris needs to write out "fly in the ointment" 50 times before going home.

But that's the point Goldie. It certainly wasn't meant to be offensive, but most people of our generation as she is, havent used expressions like that for 40 years, and it wouldn't even cross our minds to in ordinary conversation, let alone in a public situation. What kind of alternative reality does she live in? Hold on, probably the same one as Jake Rees Mogg.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

But that's the point Goldie. It certainly wasn't meant to be offensive, but most people of our generation as she is, havent used expressions like that for 40 years, and it wouldn't even cross our minds to in ordinary conversation, let alone in a public situation. What kind of alternative reality does she live in? Hold on, probably the same one as Jake Rees Mogg.

Yes, for someone who is clearly academically bright (read law at Oxford etc), she has been unbelievably slack in the language she used. You wouldn't get away with using that in the legal profession, so she must live in an isolated village-that-time-forgot

 

[sb_73]

Yes, for someone who is clearly academically bright (read law at Oxford etc), she has been unbelievably slack in the language she used. You wouldn't get away with using that in the legal profession, so she must live in an isolated village-that-time-forgot

She's MP for Newton Abbot. At the time of the last census of the 25,500 people who lived there, 23 were black. A whole 635 held non British passports, including 40 Irish and 278 from the filthy EU. Ms Morris was delighted that her constituency backed the movement to reduce immigration, which was clearly flooding their community, by voting Leave.

All falls into place. Normal for Newton Abbot.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

She's MP for Newton Abbot. At the time of the last census of the 25,500 people who lived there, 23 were black. A whole 635 held non British passports, including 40 Irish and 278 from the filthy EU. Ms Morris was delighted that her constituency backed the movement to reduce immigration, which was clearly flooding their community, by voting Leave.

All falls into place. Normal for Newton Abbot.

Even more surprisingly, that 25,500 is comprised of only six families.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

She's MP for Newton Abbot. At the time of the last census of the 25,500 people who lived there, 23 were black. A whole 635 held non British passports, including 40 Irish and 278 from the filthy EU. Ms Morris was delighted that her constituency backed the movement to reduce immigration, which was clearly flooding their community, by voting Leave.

All falls into place. Normal for Newton Abbot.

... some villagers do attempt C21st values by advertising their woodpiles as unfurnished rental for strangers