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[sb_73]

She tore Boris a new one in that EU Ref debate and came across very well - also wasnt she also married to Jeremy Clarkson at one point - or have i mixed up my Harpies?

She was married to AA Gill back in the nineties.

She has done ok in this campaign, especially with the Manchester bombing, I think because the electorate are generous enough not to blame her for her boss's/ predecessor's negligence. She will still be hamstrung by the incredibly negative manifesto the 'tough times ahead' Tories put out when they thought they would win easily, so will probably spend most of the debate attacking Corbyn. Any lingering respect I may have for her will disappear at th first utterance of 'strong and stable'.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

She tore Boris a new one in that EU Ref debate and came across very well - also wasnt she also married to Jeremy Clarkson at one point - or have i mixed up my Harpies?

She was married once to the journalist and food writer AA Gill who died recently. I should think with her as a wife, it would send you on your way...(although actually they divorced in the 90's and he married again)

PS Sorry, just seen Stan's reply

 

[TootingExcess]

She was married once to the journalist and food writer AA Gill who died recently. I should think with her as a wife, it would send you on your way...(although actually they divorced in the 90's and he married again)

PS Sorry, just seen Stan's reply

Ah I got my Sunday Times columnists mixed up.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Ah I got my Sunday Times columnists mixed up.

They were best mates, similar in many ways. Complete failures at school, talented with words, arrogant, opinionated, good sense of humour if cruel etc...

 

[sb_73]

Just had Election flyers from the three major parties local candidates through the letterbox

The Tory one was obviously printed before May became a liability, she's all over it, more than two thirds about her and scaremongering about a coalition government. It is addressed to myself and my wife. Obviously not interested in our 21 year old son who is also registered to vote from this address.

The Labour one is almost entirely locally focussed and doesn't mention Corbyn at all.

The Lib Dem one is nearly all about stopping a hard Brexit, with a couple of sub bullets on schools and the NHS. It folds out to reveal a picture of Timmy.

Interesting stats on who the Tories are using to front up their campaign in addition to May. Rudd might be top because of Manchester. No 'Dr' Liam Fox! I wonder why?
political researcher Jack Evans has updated his league table. The home secretary is still well in front.

Amber Rudd 33

Michael Fallon 26

Boris Johnson 25

David Davis 23

Philip Hammond 16

Jeremy Hunt 15

Damian Green 9

Karen Bradley 7

Alun Cairns 6

Greg Clark 3

Justine Greening 3

Priti Patel 3

David Mundell 3

Sajid Javid MP 2

Chris Grayling 1

Patrick McLoughlin 1

The rest 0

3 points for a network media interview (eg. Marr, Peston)

2 points for a speech without an interview

1 point for regional media

 

[rangercol]

I said right from the outset that the tories were taking a huge, unnecessary risk calling this election.
In a world where Trump can be elected President, a labour win is not out of the question.
The tories have had a disastrous campaign and we could well be in for a hung parliament and all the **** that brings. Although I don't rule out a narrow labour win as they have all the momentum.
If there had been no brexit and Corbyn, Mcdonell and Abbot weren't involved I'd probably be switching too.
As it is I can't vote for a party with those three at the helm for reasons I've well documented on here.
On the plus side, my youngest won't be paying tuition fees and Stan will be buying me a season ticket! (Can I choose which team Stan?).

 

[bobmid]

Amber Rudd can be quite formidable. If the election goes badly wrong for the Tories, we may be looking at the next leader

Sweet baby Jesus of nazareth. Amber rudd formidable!!! I've not laughed so much in a long time

 

[BobbyD]

This is something I wrote on another thread although i won't be voting as i'm away on voting day and i didn't get my postal vote in on time

Corbyn and his terrorist links is a big fat negative but those were quite a long time ago. At most i see him as an appeaser and he likes to talk peace. If there was a time to take action i'm not sure he would.

Dianne Abbott is a idiot. The one big black mark on Corbyn as she talks ****, is a hypocrite and must only be in the shadow cabinet by nepotism.

What i do like about Corbyn is that he's going to help the poor, he's actually got a manifesto to talk about and he hasn't been negative on the tories.

May, what can i say, U turn on NI, U turn on elections, U turn on taxing pensioners who have paid their NI and is now going to have it taken away in their homes. She's weak, changes her mind under a little pressure. Anyway who says she is going to negotiate something decent in the brexit talks is in cloud cuckoo land. First she is antagonising and if anyone calls you and cock and then wants a good deal isn't going to get one. Secondly she's already been weak and paxman was right to call her a blowhard and the EU are going to walk all over her.

Corbyn may potentially be weak on migration and who knows what he will be like on security. The Tories have shown they are weak on migration and security. They still reside over a massive immigration problem. They have cut police numbers down by 20,000 alongside who knows what. They've had 7 years in power and although i was all for Austerity, they've barely made a dent into our national deficit even after selling all our shares in Lloyds and the royal mail. All i've seen happen is that the poor have been hit and the rich have gotten richer. If i knew austerity meant that then screw that, might as well carry on spending.

Last but not least, the whole Tory manifesto is Corbyn is xxx, yyy, don't vote Labour. If being elected basically meant slagging off your rival, that's not the party i want to win. I don't care for personality politics, i would rather we left that to america and their campaigning of attacking each other.

 

[sb_73]

I said right from the outset that the tories were taking a huge, unnecessary risk calling this election.
In a world where Trump can be elected President, a labour win is not out of the question.
The tories have had a disastrous campaign and we could well be in for a hung parliament and all the **** that brings. Although I don't rule out a narrow labour win as they have all the momentum.
If there had been no brexit and Corbyn, Mcdonell and Abbot weren't involved I'd probably be switching too.
As it is I can't vote for a party with those three at the helm for reasons I've well documented on here.
On the plus side, my youngest won't be paying tuition fees and Stan will be buying me a season ticket! (Can I choose which team Stan?).

Having seen the list of season ticket prices for the PL you can't have Arsenal - cheapest is £891! I was thinking Leamington Brakes were more suitable for you......

Had any of the following been the Labour leader running on a similar manifesto, rather than a Tory lite version, and explicitly promising a 'soft Brexit', I think they would get a majority:
Alan Johnson
Kier Starmer
David Milliband
Ed Balls (post Strictly)
Possibly Hilary Benn too.
Wish Incould think of a woman to add to this list, I suppose Yvette Cooper comes closest.

As it is the closer the polls get the more anxious I am about voting for Labour, for precisely the reasons you give - the prospect of Corbyn, and more especially the people closest to him, in power scares me.

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Sweet baby Jesus of nazareth. Amber rudd formidable!!! I've not laughed so much in a long time

For the avoidance of doubt, she wasn't married to Johnny Depp

 

[sb_73]

This is something I wrote on another thread although i won't be voting as i'm away on voting day and i didn't get my postal vote in on time

Corbyn and his terrorist links is a big fat negative but those were quite a long time ago. At most i see him as an appeaser and he likes to talk peace. If there was a time to take action i'm not sure he would.

Dianne Abbott is a idiot. The one big black mark on Corbyn as she talks ****, is a hypocrite and must only be in the shadow cabinet by nepotism.

What i do like about Corbyn is that he's going to help the poor, he's actually got a manifesto to talk about and he hasn't been negative on the tories.

May, what can i say, U turn on NI, U turn on elections, U turn on taxing pensioners who have paid their NI and is now going to have it taken away in their homes. She's weak, changes her mind under a little pressure. Anyway who says she is going to negotiate something decent in the brexit talks is in cloud cuckoo land. First she is antagonising and if anyone calls you and cock and then wants a good deal isn't going to get one. Secondly she's already been weak and paxman was right to call her a blowhard and the EU are going to walk all over her.

Corbyn may potentially be weak on migration and who knows what he will be like on security. The Tories have shown they are weak on migration and security. They still reside over a massive immigration problem. They have cut police numbers down by 20,000 alongside who knows what. They've had 7 years in power and although i was all for Austerity, they've barely made a dent into our national deficit even after selling all our shares in Lloyds and the royal mail. All i've seen happen is that the poor have been hit and the rich have gotten richer. If i knew austerity meant that then screw that, might as well carry on spending.

Last but not least, the whole Tory manifesto is Corbyn is xxx, yyy, don't vote Labour. If being elected basically meant slagging off your rival, that's not the party i want to win. I don't care for personality politics, i would rather we left that to america and their campaigning of attacking each other.

Good stuff. Which team do you follow Bobby?

 

[kiwiqpr]

who thought sacking 20 000 cops was a good idea
what has rudd got to do with manchester
that woman from the scottish tories would have been a better choice as leader
(might even have remembered her name)

 

[BobbyD]

Good stuff. Which team do you follow Bobby?

Haha i might get banned.

Chelsea

 

[sb_73]

Haha i might get banned.

Chelsea

Law of averages says you can't all be divots. Congratulations through gritted teeth on the well deserved PL win. Hang on to Conte, he's a diamond.

 

[BobbyD]

Law of averages says you can't all be divots. Congratulations through gritted teeth on the well deserved PL win. Hang on to Conte, he's a diamond.

Yeah hoping that too. Hopefully Roman doesn't get a massive brain fart.

I am actually surprised by how centrist this politics thread is. Have some "free" time at work and you'd be surprised by how abusive some of the threads gets lol. You guys seem a nice bunch and get on with debating without any of the mud slinging so it's been nice to read what's going on here. Also it's pretty active as most of the boards are dead which always helps

 

[sb_73]

Yeah hoping that too. Hopefully Roman doesn't get a massive brain fart.

I am actually surprised by how centrist this politics thread is. Have some "free" time at work and you'd be surprised by how abusive some of the threads gets lol. You guys seem a nice bunch and get on with debating without any of the mud slinging so it's been nice to read what's going on here. Also it's pretty active as most of the boards are dead which always helps

When it gets too lively for some of us we take a break for a bit. Still few punches pulled though. And Ellers is away. Had a brief look at the Liverpool version, seemed unnaturally civilised in that there were no disagreements at all.

Big debate kicked off and some biting political analysis in my house. Wife and daughter are convinced Timmy has a mono brow which he has shaved himself. Keeping a close eye on the fat Scottish bloke who appears to be slowly melting. Leanne, who is getting far too much airtime this election, has hidden her huge elf ears for this evening. Hopefully last time that Nuttalls and UKIP get any platform as they disappear from view. He's sweating like a pig too. Jezza storming opening exchanges.

 

[kiwiqpr]

You guys seem a nice bunch and get on with debating without any of the mud slinging so it's been nice to read what's going on here. Also it's pretty active as most of the boards are dead which always helps

we are a nice bunch

 

[BobbyD]

When it gets too lively for some of us we take a break for a bit. Still few punches pulled though. And Ellers is away. Had a brief look at the Liverpool version, seemed unnaturally civilised in that there were no disagreements at all.

Big debate kicked off and some biting political analysis in my house. Wife and daughter are convinced Timmy has a mono brow which he has shaved himself. Keeping a close eye on the fat Scottish bloke who appears to be slowly melting. Leanne, who is getting far too much airtime this election, has hidden her huge elf ears for this evening. Hopefully last time that Nuttalls and UKIP get any platform as they disappear from view. He's sweating like a pig too. Jezza storming opening exchanges.

Most toxic politic board threads are deffo Swansea and Watford. Actually the most toxic one is on the PL board if you ever want a laugh (but regurtitated arguements and out right toxicity its there).

You guys didn't even bite and throw abuse at cor bylmie who has pretty outdated views or is on a WUM.

 

[Stroller]

Rudd getting a hard time from panel and audience. May would have broken down by now.

 

[Sooperhoop]

The thing about Corbyn is he's been spouting his rhetoric all his political life so he's not trying to put on an act to impress people, he's just being himself. Whereas May comes across as totally insincere with lies, U-turns and an air of being a rabbit caught in the headlights. The voters aren't stupid and don't like being patronised or treated as mugs and that's why Corbyn is gaining in popularity, with him what you see is what you get.

This campaign has been a disaster for May, she should have gone for it the day Dave resigned and said 'This is my vision of Brexit and I want your mandate', problem is she didn't have one then and probably still doesn't, everything has been totally negative and on the hoof and whoever is running her campaign should be shot. To have a seven week campaign was a major mistake, Labour have run rings round her and it's given the Corbyn bandwagon time to build up head of steam and I wouldn't rule out the collapse of UKIP and the wishy-washy LibDems giving Labour a shock win...