No idea. I thought it was interesting analysis regardless.
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No idea. I thought it was interesting analysis regardless.
It's the public who got us in this mess. Oligarchy Now!
".............If they can agree on that, all else will eventually fall into place so long as the EU don't try to put controls on us re trading outside the EU..........."
So how do they do that? Once we're gone we're gone. We're free to trade with whom we want in 2 years time. At least that is what everybody has been saying and the reason why enough voted for Brexit in the first place. Only unsettled past obligations can be used against the UK to make us honour those obligations. From everything that you and others have said all along all she needs to do is name her price and stick to that. The EU will eventually accept defeat and give us what we want to save a few crumbs for themselves. That's about it isn't it? So what's tough about that? The only thing that is tough is us having to listen each night and read each day to journalists telling us what the politicians didn't say, interpreting ie guessing and presenting their opinions as researched facts.
Do you want to rethink that? I voted to remain. I accept the decision and you will see from my past posts I have never asked for a second referendum. However if, for any reason we get the chance to vote again on the deal that is hammered out, I have seen no reason to change my mind. An acceptance of reality does not mean that a large number of Remain voters has now decided to join the Brextards
I have to say I'm glad you've mentioned this as you would think that Brexit is the only thing that has happened in the world in the last few weeks. In the overall scale of things who we trade with and on what terms pales into insignificance when one considers the major issues which trouble us all which I would rank as:
1 Are Rangers going to win tomorrow night?
2 The war against Islamic Fundamentalist terror anywhere in the world
3 The megalomaniac fat boy in North Korea
4 The preening and totally ineffectual fat boy in the White House
5 The increasing danger of pollution on a global scale as politicians win elections on the basis of 'fake news' by simply stating that proven scientific fact is a hoax because that is the only way in which they can deliver on their promises to bring back millions of manufacturing jobs.
Finally I would just like to say that I wouldn't want to be misinterpreted here. My motives are pure. I have absolutely no prejudice against fat boys.
Correct but that says more about the current mess of a Labour Party than her. Even against Milliband she'd have lost IMO.
Powerful stuff.
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It's not beyond the bounds of possibility for the EU to slap on conditions to a free trade agreement that impact the UK's ability to trade outside the EU. Being bound by EU sanctions against Russia, for example.
No, I don't want to rethink it. A lot of my Remain friends and relations just want to get on with Brexit and then develop a good, working relationship with the EU.
I didn't know how you voted. Don't take posts so personally!
So you're saying the posh boy, Cameron was more popular in the country than May? Don't see it
The St Petersburg atrocity didn't even make the front page of The Times (digital version). We are a pretty self centred bunch, though not in comparison to the USA.
Good list. My only additions would be the damage that could be done by Putin with his territorial ambitions (a cover up of a failing economy) and his embedded stooges (witting or unwitting) in the populist/alt right movements in the west. Plus my personal fears of a totalitarian Chinese leadership which is now the dominant force in the world and really doesn't give a **** about anyone else, including its own people.
In an election, yes, I think most would have found Cameron a more palatable option than May. I don't doubt a lot of people prefer May as a person. **** knows why but they do.
As Ken Clarke said, " She (May) is a bloody difficult woman." It's early days, but if she offers to the EU negotiators, an iron fist in a velvet glove, I could see her becoming Margaret Thatcher with a social conscience. And however one views that, depending on political persuasion, it would make her a formidable opponent
I'd say so - remember all the pro-business, pro-EU centre right Tories would back him instead of the hard-right government we have now. May would probably get more UKIP voters to back her though.
Who knows? Even an election wouldn't tell us about Mrs May personally, nor would it guarantee she would stay in her current job after winning an election.
What I can say is that we knew what Cameron stood for and could make our choices accordingly. I really don't think anyone knows what Mrs May stands for. I feel she keeps that hidden until she knows which way the wind is blowing and then makes a public declaration in the vaguest terms possible. Her warring party is still walking the tightrope of power by pretending they're all happy now - but I doubt that very much.
And, if any Mrs May fans want to argue the toss about my view, please don't use the "Yeah but what about Corbyn, Fallon, Labour, Lib Dems, etc?" line of debate. One doesn't excuse the other.
With the greatest of respect, I fear you're deluded if you think May is formidable or fit to be mentioned in the same sentence as Thatcher.
A social conscience? You're having a laugh.......
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...a-may-blue-passports-children-poverty-cuts-uk