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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
rangercol said:
And then there are the millions of self employed workers like me who do accounts and pay their taxes......whilst never getting any holiday pay, sick pay or paternity/maternity leave.
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Plus don't forget working all hours, it's not just 9 to 5, working weekends, on call all the time, not being entitled to any social welfare payments in the event of sickness or simply not having any work. I reguarly start work by 7:30 am and often work until 9pm at night. Plus over here it was shown that a person who's self employed and has taxable income of €20000 pays over €600 more in tax/social welfare than an employed person paying on the same income, and all I'm entitled to is a state pension when I reach 67........

Am I bitter? Off course I am.........
 
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When I was trading for a bank I worked 12 hours a day and then would take calls all night. Am I bitter, NO, Best time of my life.
 
TheBigDipper said:
Just musing and interested in people's opinion on this....

There are two things going on that caught my eye.
One - the Conservatives may have broken the law regarding expenditure on the 2015 election. The CPS are looking at the evidence.
Two - there are suspicions, possibly backed by evidence, possibly being suppressed for "security" reasons that large amounts of "dark money" from foreign sources (allegedly also involved in Trumps win, too) was used to pay for elements of the Leave campaign - which would also be breaking the law.

Try and forget that your preference won or lost the 2015 election or 2016 referendum. Just focusing on the concept of winning an election by breaking the law. If it is true and can be proved, do you think the elections are still valid and their results should still stand? If it helps, pretend the other side won and see if that changes things for you?

I'm trying to work out how I feel about it - if it turns out to be true.
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I've been following the Tory election expenses story for several months. It's been noticeable how those lefties at the BBC have barely mentioned it until the last few days, whilst CH4 have gone after it quite hard. If the law has been broken, of course the results shouldn't stand.
 
Stroller said:
I've been following the Tory election expenses story for several months. It's been noticeable how those lefties at the BBC have barely mentioned it, whilst CH4 have gone after it quite hard. If the law has been broken, of course the results shouldn't stand.
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What happens then?
 
rangercol said:
And then there are the millions of self employed workers like me who do accounts and pay their taxes......whilst never getting any holiday pay, sick pay or paternity/maternity leave.
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I don't doubt that for one minute. So did I for over 23 years. And like me, I'm sure you acted responsibly and paid for PHI, PMI and the rest as well however hard it may have been at the time.
 
Stroller said:
There will have to be by-elections in the seats where expenses laws were broken.
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If Remain had won the referendum and Cameron was still in charge, the kippers would be kicking up a fuss for a by-election and sanctions. As it is most of those kippers are now supporting May, so are probably going to play it down.

Corbin might organise a hard hitting leaflet campaign, but that'll be about it.

They should re-run them though, if that's the rules
 
TootingExcess said:
If Remain had won the referendum and Cameron was still in charge, the kippers would be kicking up a fuss for a by-election and sanctions. As it is most of those kippers are now supporting May, so are probably going to play it down.

Corbin might organise a hard hitting leaflet campaign, but that'll be about it.

They should re-run them though, if that's the rules
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All the seats involved were marginal (hence the extra attention), so in the theory this could wipe out the Tory majority. But Labour is in no state to mount a proper challenge of course, so not much will change.
 
Stroller said:
Interesting results in the Dutch elections, with far-right populist and Jimmy Page lookalike Geert Wilders failing to make any ground, whilst the GreenLeft party advanced from 4 seats to 14. There is still hope for the world.

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Yeah, we get to eat lettuce all day.
Makes you think how insecure they are at EU headquarters when they send out a quote that they are glad Wilders lost? The EU need to realise that their corrupt organisation is not working and people are turning away from it. it will come falling day at some point and it will be their fault.
 
ELLERS said:
Yeah, we get to eat lettuce all day.
Makes you think how insecure they are at EU headquarters when they send out a quote that they are glad Wilders lost? The EU need to realise that their corrupt organisation is not working and people are turning away from it. it will come falling day at some point and it will be their fault.
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No it will be Brexiteers fault.
 
The Electoral Commission has determined that the Conservatives broke the rules regarding election expenditure reporting in selected marginal constituencies and been fined £70k for it. The Conservatives aren't saying "Sorry". No, they're saying "We'll have to look at the Electoral Commission processes and requirements"...

The CPS are looking at the available evidence to see if it was just an accidental failure or if there was a deliberate attempt to break the rules and hide the fact they'd done it. I'm sure it's only coincidence that the constituencies in question were the ones considered marginal and under threat. I think UKIP and Farage might have something to say about this.

I'm not clear if they spent more than they should (which is illegal) or just failed to correctly report what they did spend (which is not).
 
TheBigDipper said:
The Electoral Commission has determined that the Conservatives broke the rules regarding election expenditure reporting in selected marginal constituencies and been fined £70k for it. The Conservatives aren't saying "Sorry". No, they're saying "We'll have to look at the Electoral Commission processes and requirements"...

The CPS are looking at the available evidence to see if it was just an accidental failure or if there was a deliberate attempt to break the rules and hide the fact they'd done it. I'm sure it's only coincidence that the constituencies in question were the ones considered marginal and under threat. I think UKIP and Farage might have something to say about this.

I'm not clear if they spent more than they should (which is illegal) or just failed to correctly report what they did spend (which is not).
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Twelve police forces have asked the CPS to consider charges over election expenses. Presumably any charges resulting would be against the candidate (now MP), who will have signed a declaration that spending was within legal limits. This is why the MPs in question are raging against Tory Central Office.

Farage may well get another go in South Thanet. Eighth time lucky?
 
Certain people here have been promising us for months that the following four countries would signal the break up of the EU as extreme right wing anti-EU/anti immigration parties would win the respective general elections.

What has happened to date?
Austria - LOST
Netherlands - LOST
France ?
Germany?

Meanwhile, in the UK;
Scotland - threatening a second independence referendum in 2018/2019.
Northern Ireland - Unionists in the minority in the assembly for the first time ever.

Be careful what you wish for and have a look closer to home, old chaps.
 
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finglasqpr said:
Certain people here have been promising us for months that the following four countries would signal the break up of the EU as extreme right wing anti-EU/anti immigration parties would win the respective general elections.

What has happened to date?
Austria - LOST
Netherlands - LOST
France ?
Germany?

Meanwhile, in the UK;
Scotland - threatening a second independence referendum in 2018/2019.
Northern Ireland - Unionists in the minority in the assembly for the first time ever.

Be careful what you wish for and have a look closer to home, old chaps.
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Break up of the UK before the EU looks the more likely alternative. Personally I want neither. Ironic that Brexit could trigger both.
 
finglasqpr said:
Certain people here have been promising us for months that the following four countries would signal the break up of the EU as extreme right wing anti-EU/anti immigration parties would win the respective general elections.

What has happened to date?
Austria - LOST
Netherlands - LOST
France ?
Germany?

Meanwhile, in the UK;
Scotland - threatening a second independence referendum in 2018/2019.
Northern Ireland - Unionists in the minority in the assembly for the first time ever.

Be careful what you wish for and have a look closer to home, old chaps.
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Finglas you forgot the most important UK - WIN
You also forgot to mention the Italy vote with the Matteo Renzi powers. They are not too happy with the EU.
We have to look further than an election win/lose. Austria was a 50.3% to 49.7% split. Meaning that nearly half were for a far right party. That in itself is something that everyone should take note of.
As for Wilders I think that most knew he wouldn't win due to his stance on Islam and Mosqes. However winning 16 seat is still enough to cause problems within government.
France and Germany won't leave the EU but many of the citizens are fed up up with it. I speak to many French people on a regular basis and was surprised how many dislike the EU. The whole rotten thing will fall at some point so I am actually glad that we are leaving the sinking ship on a life boat because like the Titanic they will run out.
 
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