Off Topic The Politics Thread

[West London Willy]

How is that editing someone's post?

Stroller's post said

I didn't pick out anything. I'm comparing when he started to now, which seems to me to be the best comparison to make.

You edited it to say

I've picked out where he started and now

THAT'S editing a post . Come on Ellers, don't be so obviously and provably fictitious. at least be man enough to own up when you've been caught out.

 

[West London Willy]

You are being a muppet fella. Your hatred of Trump blinds the facts. I'm surprised you are not stuck to that balloon.

I've posted facts. You've tried - unsucessfully - to dispute them, but haven't posted a single source yourself. I'd give up, mate, you clearly haven't a hope or a clue.

 

[Stroller]

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Stroller's post said


You edited it to say



THAT'S editing a post . Come on Ellers, don't be so obviously and provably fictitious. at least be man enough to own up when you've been caught out.

No Willy, I edited it. Ellers must have replied whilst I was doing so.

 

[bobmid]

To be quite blunt, I couldn't care less about Trump or his ratings. Protesting about his visit does seem bloody ridiculous though to the point it's quite embarrassing to be associated by calling myself British. Let the Americans deal with him and us attempt to deal with our own. The ironic thing about these protesters are that they are feeding his ego even more, giving him so much more attention and probably turning those American citizens, not so much in favour of him, on to his side.

 

[ELLERS]

I've posted facts. You've tried - unsucessfully - to dispute them, but haven't posted a single source yourself. I'd give up, mate, you clearly haven't a hope or a clue.

The thing with you willy is you are like a dog on heat when someone mentions Trump. You have this weird fixation and need to get over it. You said the other day you were not responding to me yet you but into a conversation I was having with Goldie. All because we were talking Trump.

I quoted that his ratings have been improving which the chart Stroller posted shows. I have agreed that there has been highs and low points but generally in recent months they have got better. This is a clear fact that you cant accept (surprise).
I also stated that a million jobs have been created. That wasn't from Trump but from the press.

Then, when you know you are losing an argument you try and change it by accusing me of editing...WTF?
Seriously fella get a over it.

 

[ELLERS]

To be quite blunt, I couldn't care less about Trump or his ratings. Protesting about his visit does seem bloody ridiculous though to the point it's quite embarrassing to be associated by calling myself British. Let the Americans deal with him and us attempt to deal with our own. The ironic thing about these protesters are that they are feeding his ego even more, giving him so much more attention and probably turning those American citizens, not so much in favour of him, on to his side.

Sadly it's the same old mob. Trump is the new thing to hate. I'm glad finally the news is actually reporting that Obama/Clinton/Saudi prince didn't receive these demonstrations...Hypocrites.
It was like that anti-capitalist demonstration in London where the activists were wearing designer gear (can you believe it) listening to Charlotte Church speaking, who then jumped into a private car and on to a private plane...
We need to have close ties with the US for lots of reasons and these demonstrators just make themselves look childish. As a nation, we should be better than that. If Trump mouths off about something then we rise to it not lower ourselves.

 

[West London Willy]

The thing with you willy is you are like a dog on heat when someone mentions Trump. You have this weird fixation and need to get over it. You said the other day you were not responding to me yet you but into a conversation I was having with Goldie. All because we were talking Trump.

I quoted that his ratings have been improving which the chart Stroller posted shows. I have agreed that there has been highs and low points but generally in recent months they have got better. This is a clear fact that you cant accept (surprise).
I also stated that a million jobs have been created. That wasn't from Trump but from the press.

Then, when you know you are losing an argument you try and change it by accusing me of editing...WTF?
Seriously fella get a over it.

His ratings are terrible. They remain terrible. And yet you think he’s doing a great job. You’re wrong.

You say there’s a million more jobs. Doesn’t mean those jobs are worth having. Most are unfillable because the GOP won’t support a living wage there. He has blocked this at every turn. Creating a million jobs that pay unsurvivable wages isn’t doing anything except driving the poor even further into poverty.

We’ve not even mentioned the thousands of babies and children he stole from their parents yet. Or the clear and obvious way he’s trying to deny his affairs. Or the recordings of him boasting of sexual assaults. Or his failure in NK to get anything but laughed at. Or his utter cluelessness of how NATO works. Or his pardoning of those ‘very fine’ nazis whilst suppressing any attempt by anti - fascists to protest.

He’s a highly dangerous person. Why do you still support him?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

You are being a muppet fella. Your hatred of Trump blinds the facts. I'm surprised you are not stuck to that balloon.

 

[ELLERS]

His ratings are terrible. They remain terrible. And yet you think he’s doing a great job. You’re wrong.

You say there’s a million more jobs. Doesn’t mean those jobs are worth having. Most are unfillable because the GOP won’t support a living wage there. He has blocked this at every turn. Creating a million jobs that pay unsurvivable wages isn’t doing anything except driving the poor even further into poverty.

We’ve not even mentioned the thousands of babies and children he stole from their parents yet. Or the clear and obvious way he’s trying to deny his affairs. Or the recordings of him boasting of sexual assaults. Or his failure in NK to get anything but laughed at. Or his utter cluelessness of how NATO works. Or his pardoning of those ‘very fine’ nazis whilst suppressing any attempt by anti - fascists to protest.

He’s a highly dangerous person. Why do you still support him?

As I said you really need to move on. But before you do...Read something other than anti-Trump articles as you may see reality.
Just one thing to take with you. As I have been saying for months and was mentioned on QT.
Obama broke the record for the amount of bombs dropped.
Obama dropped more bombs on innocent people than Trump ever has.
Obama has the record for more Drone killings than any other President.
Obama has sent more troops to the Mexican border than Trump (although he may match and pass that figure). Obama built more of a wall than Trump has and said in 2011 it's "now basically complete.".
Obama deported 3 million illegal immigrants while in office (what is an all-time record for a president).
Obama made the order in 2015 limiting travel a from certain countries yet Trump gets blame?

If Trump is 'highly dangerous' what are your thoughts on Obama?

 

[QPR New York]

The people here that voted for Trump have finally woken up to what a Trump Presidency really means. We have already seen a change in attitude of the electorate in last November's elections, when the Democratic party picked up one seat in the U.S. Senate and gains in many local races.

The Republican Party leadership can not influence this President. He arrived pre-programed to be the alpha male, not part of the pack What is really striking is that the Republicans can pretty much pass any federal legislation they want, but can't agree on any specifics. A number of Republicans have already begun to distance themselves from Trump-speak for fear that they will get booted out when their office terms expire or because they are more middle leaning than the President and his views offend them personally.

 

[West London Willy]

As I said you really need to move on. But before you do...Read something other than anti-Trump articles as you may see reality.
Just one thing to take with you. As I have been saying for months and was mentioned on QT.
Obama broke the record for the amount of bombs dropped.
Obama dropped more bombs on innocent people than Trump ever has.
Obama has the record for more Drone killings than any other President.
Obama has sent more troops to the Mexican border than Trump (although he may match and pass that figure). Obama built more of a wall than Trump has and said in 2011 it's "now basically complete.".
Obama deported 3 million illegal immigrants while in office (what is an all-time record for a president).
Obama made the order in 2015 limiting travel a from certain countries yet Trump gets blame?

If Trump is 'highly dangerous' what are your thoughts on Obama?

Still deflecting? I'll play:

Obama broke the record for the amount of bombs dropped. - Eight years of inheriting a war started by republicans, against eighteen months spent mostly on a golf course. Do the math.
Obama dropped more bombs on innocent people than Trump ever has. - Against an enemy in ISIS, grown from the US invasions sanctioned by GW Bush, who site themselves in cities because they know in the open they will get targeted. again - eight years against eighteen golfing months. Do the math.
Obama has the record for more Drone killings than any other President. - Drones were not around before him. This is getting pathetic, but again - do the math.
Obama has sent more troops to the Mexican border than Trump (although he may match and pass that figure). Obama built more of a wall than Trump has and said in 2011 it's "now basically complete.". - I'm getting a little tired of the repetition, but if it's necessary - do the math. Obama put up some border fencing against a real and credible threat to combat drug smuggling. It wasn't effective. Trump wants to spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS repeating a known failed strategy because it suits his racist agenda and fuels his racist base.
Obama deported 3 million illegal immigrants while in office (what is an all-time record for a president). - And there's legal precedent and due process for EVERY SINGLE ONE. Trump has said he wants to remove the 14th Amendment that ensures due legal process, and he's breaking the law in separating families. How's THAT for some truth?
Obama made the order in 2015 limiting travel a from certain countries yet Trump gets blame? Flawed comparison. Here's why: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/

Now - back to trump:

Trump still refuses to disclose his tax returns, due to overwhelming testimony that they will show illegal payments. Every other sitting president has fully disclosed, yet he refuses to, citing an 'audit' although the IRS say there's nothing stopping him giving full disclosure.
Trump attempted to force the FBI to drop the investigation into ex NSA Mike Flynn, and fired Comey when he would not. Flynn has since been indicted and pled guilty.
Trump signed a policy pushing for children to be forcibly removed from their parents, with no plan nor intent to ever reunite them.
Trump has publically lied over 3300 times so far since taking office.
Trump has repeatedly attacked his 'allies' whilst refusing to say anything against Russia.
Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio, the hugely racist former police chief convicted of conducting race-hate fuelled policies and targetting hispanics.
Trump has repeatedly sided with the NRA over mass shooting victims and their families, due to his financial ties to the NRA. and for NRA, also read Wall Street, Pharmaceuticals, Weapons Manufacturers, Oil and Coal industries, basically any company rich enough to pay for power, over the welfare and wellbeing of the population.
Trump is on record of having raped his then wife Ivana. She did not follow up with formal charges after a settlement in the divorce. But it's freely acknowledgfed to have happened.
Trump is on record as boasting of multiple sexual assaults, and has 19 women currently pursuing rape and sexual assault claims against him.
Trump has taken over $1.5 trillion from medicare, medicaid, the VA, Welfare and social security to pay his billionaire friends and corporations massive tax cuts. The rich get richer, whilst the poor cannot afford to fill prescriptions and die.

That's just a few things I can think of right now. There are hundreds of others, but even you must get the picture now.

 

[West London Willy]

The people here that voted for Trump have finally woken up to what a Trump Presidency really means. We have already seen a change in attitude of the electorate in last November's elections, when the Democratic party picked up one seat in the U.S. Senate and gains in many local races.

The Republican Party leadership can not influence this President. He arrived pre-programed to be the alpha male, not part of the pack What is really striking is that the Republicans can pretty much pass any federal legislation they want, but can't agree on any specifics. A number of Republicans have already begun to distance themselves from Trump-speak for fear that they will get booted out when their office terms expire or because they are more middle leaning than the President and his views offend them personally.

Trump commands by fear, not by respect. Maybe some on here will read what you say and finally get what I've been saying all along. Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[ELLERS]

Still deflecting? I'll play:

Obama broke the record for the amount of bombs dropped. - Eight years of inheriting a war started by republicans, against eighteen months spent mostly on a golf course. Do the math.
Obama dropped more bombs on innocent people than Trump ever has. - Against an enemy in ISIS, grown from the US invasions sanctioned by GW Bush, who site themselves in cities because they know in the open they will get targeted. again - eight years against eighteen golfing months. Do the math.
Obama has the record for more Drone killings than any other President. - Drones were not around before him. This is getting pathetic, but again - do the math.
Obama has sent more troops to the Mexican border than Trump (although he may match and pass that figure). Obama built more of a wall than Trump has and said in 2011 it's "now basically complete.". - I'm getting a little tired of the repetition, but if it's necessary - do the math. Obama put up some border fencing against a real and credible threat to combat drug smuggling. It wasn't effective. Trump wants to spend BILLIONS OF DOLLARS repeating a known failed strategy because it suits his racist agenda and fuels his racist base.
Obama deported 3 million illegal immigrants while in office (what is an all-time record for a president). - And there's legal precedent and due process for EVERY SINGLE ONE. Trump has said he wants to remove the 14th Amendment that ensures due legal process, and he's breaking the law in separating families. How's THAT for some truth?
Obama made the order in 2015 limiting travel a from certain countries yet Trump gets blame? Flawed comparison. Here's why: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...mparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/

Now - back to trump:

Trump still refuses to disclose his tax returns, due to overwhelming testimony that they will show illegal payments. Every other sitting president has fully disclosed, yet he refuses to, citing an 'audit' although the IRS say there's nothing stopping him giving full disclosure.
Trump attempted to force the FBI to drop the investigation into ex NSA Mike Flynn, and fired Comey when he would not. Flynn has since been indicted and pled guilty.
Trump signed a policy pushing for children to be forcibly removed from their parents, with no plan nor intent to ever reunite them.
Trump has publically lied over 3300 times so far since taking office.
Trump has repeatedly attacked his 'allies' whilst refusing to say anything against Russia.
Trump pardoned Joe Arpaio, the hugely racist former police chief convicted of conducting race-hate fuelled policies and targetting hispanics.
Trump has repeatedly sided with the NRA over mass shooting victims and their families, due to his financial ties to the NRA. and for NRA, also read Wall Street, Pharmaceuticals, Weapons Manufacturers, Oil and Coal industries, basically any company rich enough to pay for power, over the welfare and wellbeing of the population.
Trump is on record of having raped his then wife Ivana. She did not follow up with formal charges after a settlement in the divorce. But it's freely acknowledgfed to have happened.
Trump is on record as boasting of multiple sexual assaults, and has 19 women currently pursuing rape and sexual assault claims against him.
Trump has taken over $1.5 trillion from medicare, medicaid, the VA, Welfare and social security to pay his billionaire friends and corporations massive tax cuts. The rich get richer, whilst the poor cannot afford to fill prescriptions and die.

That's just a few things I can think of right now. There are hundreds of others, but even you must get the picture now.

You really need to stop reading the 'Daily anti-Trump' website.

 

[West London Willy]

That's all you have now? jeez...

Anyway - back later. I'm off out to yell at a racist american for a while.

 

[ELLERS]

Maybe some on here will read what you say and finally get what I've been saying all along. Somehow, I doubt it.

Maybe some on here will stop listen to your drivel? zzzzzzzzz.
Wake me up when September ends

 

[ELLERS]

That's all you have now? jeez...

Anyway - back later. I'm off out to yell at a racist american for a while.

Say hello to the Saudi prince while you are there.

PS
Trump won't hear you as he is in Buckinghamshire.

 

[Staines R's]

That's all you have now? jeez...

Anyway - back later. I'm off out to yell at a racist american for a while.

Ellers has got a point, Willy.
I know it’s really fashionable and ‘right on’ to protest against Trump (and yes I believe the man is an arrogant, nasty individual who I detest) but what makes him more worthy of your protest than say, the Chinese or Saudi leaders when they visited here ?
Surely they’ve done far worse, and still do. Yemen ? Tibet ?
I might be wrong and you protest against every despotic leader that visits....but if you don’t, then why not ?

 

[ELLERS]

Ellers has got a point, Willy.
I know it’s really fashionable and ‘right on’ to protest against Trump (and yes I believe the man is an arrogant, nasty individual who I detest) but what makes him more worthy of your protest than say, the Chinese or Saudi leaders when they visited here ?
Surely they’ve done far worse, and still do. Yemen ? Tibet ?
I might be wrong and you protest against every despotic leader that visits....but if you don’t, then why not ?

Spot on mate! I have no love for Trump but while all these people are demonstrating he will be having tea with the Queen in Windsor. As if he cares. Listened to an American bloke on the news who said will love all the attention of the demonstrations because it's all about him.

 

[Stroller]

Heard Trump in the presser earlier saying that all the **** he said yesterday about Brexit and May was 'fake news'.

We all heard you say it, Donald.

 

[Sebastian]

I like the Donald. He want back traditional values. The...how you say? Gaystapo? taking over every life of walk. I see even traffic light on London streets have man of green holding hand with other man of green. WHY!!

Even schoolchild see this and ask why two Daddies? What you say to child???