Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
I wasn't questioning the validity of the story (although 'Jeremy Corbyn plunged into major expenses scandal' seems a bit over the top), merely curious as to where Kiwi finds all this stuff. Never mind - keep up the good work, Kiwi. :emoticon-0148-yes:
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So when you said "...you don't half come up with some ****, Kiwi", the **** didn't actually refer to the story Kiwi had come up with, but something else...? :emoticon-0100-smile
 
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Looks like the Irish border question seems to sorted and we are moving on. I wonder what the EU will say next? "we cant move forward until Tony Blair is back as PM"?
 
ELLERS said:
Looks like the Irish border question seems to sorted and we are moving on. I wonder what the EU will say next? "we cant move forward until Tony Blair is back as PM"?
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Not sure it's sorted until the DUP buy in. Which doesn't look likely at present

That little twat Sadiq Khan now demanding London stay in the Single Market and Customs Union like N. Ireland - presumably by building a wall around the M25.
 
So Kay 'Skeletor' Burley just said on Sky that there is no deal at the moment but "Theresa May is confident a deal can be concluded positively. She would say that wouldn't she".
Why does Burley need to add that on at the end? she is supposed to be impartial FFS! She couldn't make it more obvious that she want's things to fail.
We really have some crap news presenters don't we.
 
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GoldhawkRoad said:
Not sure it's sorted until the DUP buy in. Which doesn't look likely at present

That little twat Sadiq Khan now demanding London stay in the Single Market and Customs Union like N. Ireland - presumably by building a wall around the M25.
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If special arrangements can be made for Northern Ireland, they can be made for London can't they? But no need to bother if the government were to do what the majority wants and make a deal that keeps all of us in the Single Market..
 
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Stroller said:
If special arrangements can be made for Northern Ireland, they can be made for London can't they? But no need to bother if the government were to do what the majority wants and make a deal that keeps all of us in the Single Market..
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I'd say the chances of London becoming independent (there would have to be some sort of passport arrangement for British citizens going in and out of their capital) are between zero and none.

If we stay in the single market, we effectively stay in the EU. So won't happen unless we elect a Liberal Democrat government (or possibly Corbyn gets in, but who the hell knows what Labour's position is, because they don't)
 
ELLERS said:
So Kay 'Skeletor' Burley just said on Sky that there is no deal at the moment but "Theresa May is confident a deal can be concluded positively. She would say that wouldn't she".
Why does Burley need to add that on at the end? she is supposed to be impartial FFS! She couldn't make it more obvious that she want's things to fail.
We really have some crap news presenters don't we.
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She's yet another of the affluent liberal metropolitan elite, the liberal London bubble, that don't give a **** about the cost of a price of milk and have contributed to Brexit by ignoring large parts of the country
 
Stroller said:
If special arrangements can be made for Northern Ireland, they can be made for London can't they? But no need to bother if the government were to do what the majority wants and make a deal that keeps all of us in the Single Market..
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Having scraped the Brexit fukk up contingency fund bare to bung the EU, it looks like she has to go home and see how much more they need to bung the DUP.
 
GoldhawkRoad said:
Not sure it's sorted until the DUP buy in. Which doesn't look likely at present

That little twat Sadiq Khan now demanding London stay in the Single Market and Customs Union like N. Ireland - presumably by building a wall around the M25.
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Looks like the DUP have scuppered it already. May breaks off talks with Juncker to take a call from Foster and suddenly the U.K. and Commission need more time. It’s a ****ing disgrace, and fundamentally undemocratic, that a party with 10 MPs, which refuses to say how many members it has, from a place which voted remain, can hold 66 million people hostage. Well done Tories for getting yourself in this hole. That’s what happens when you say you want no border and then go into a deal with a bunch of Neanderthals who really do.

Hopefully only a brief hold up.

Of course if such a deal is done for NI, there is nothing in principle to say it couldn’t be the same for elsewhere in the U.K., however silly you think it is. It would also more accurately reflect the ‘will of the people’ in places which voted remain, and help them find their own ‘destiny’, whatever that means. One of the key arguments for Brexit was that against the sharing of sovereignty, in a big, remote aggregation. There is no rule to say that sovereignty can only sit with national boundaries, as current devolution arrangements here and abroad shows. If London, Scotland, NI, Leamington Spa and other places which had a clear remain majority want different arrangements to the ones that Brexiters want, there is no logical reason to stop them if one has already got a unique deal.
 
sb_73 said:
Looks like the DUP have scuppered it already. May breaks off talks with Juncker to take a call from Foster and suddenly the U.K. and Commission need more time. It’s a ****ing disgrace, and fundamentally undemocratic, that a party with 10 MPs, which refuses to say how many members it has, from a place which voted remain, can hold 66 million people hostage. Well done Tories for getting yourself in this hole. That’s what happens when you say you want no border and then go into a deal with a bunch of Neanderthals who really do.

Hopefully only a brief hold up.

Of course if such a deal is done for NI, there is nothing in principle to say it couldn’t be the same for elsewhere in the U.K., however silly you think it is. It would also more accurately reflect the ‘will of the people’ in places which voted remain, and help them find their own ‘destiny’, whatever that means. One of the key arguments for Brexit was that against the sharing of sovereignty, in a big, remote aggregation. There is no rule to say that sovereignty can only sit with national boundaries, as current devolution arrangements here and abroad shows. If London, Scotland, NI, Leamington Spa and other places which had a clear remain majority want different arrangements to the ones that Brexiters want, there is no logical reason to stop them if one has already got a unique deal.
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sb_73 said:
Looks like the DUP have scuppered it already. May breaks off talks with Juncker to take a call from Foster and suddenly the U.K. and Commission need more time. It’s a ****ing disgrace, and fundamentally undemocratic, that a party with 10 MPs, which refuses to say how many members it has, from a place which voted remain, can hold 66 million people hostage. Well done Tories for getting yourself in this hole. That’s what happens when you say you want no border and then go into a deal with a bunch of Neanderthals who really do.

Hopefully only a brief hold up.

Of course if such a deal is done for NI, there is nothing in principle to say it couldn’t be the same for elsewhere in the U.K., however silly you think it is. It would also more accurately reflect the ‘will of the people’ in places which voted remain, and help them find their own ‘destiny’, whatever that means. One of the key arguments for Brexit was that against the sharing of sovereignty, in a big, remote aggregation. There is no rule to say that sovereignty can only sit with national boundaries, as current devolution arrangements here and abroad shows. If London, Scotland, NI, Leamington Spa and other places which had a clear remain majority want different arrangements to the ones that Brexiters want, there is no logical reason to stop them if one has already got a unique deal.
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One major difference. Northern Ireland will have a land border with the EU post-Brexit. That's what these talks are about
 
London and Brussels failed to clinch a long-sought breakthrough on Brexit after a series of dramatic twists that saw a tentative deal derailed by the delicate question of the Irish border.

“It was not possible to reach a complete agreement today,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told reporters as glum negotiators looked on. Talks will resume this week and he’s confident there will be a agreement that paves the way for trade talks to begin.

As well as the Irish border, the taboo issue of what role the European Court of Justice will have in the U.K. after Brexit was also a stumbling block, according to a person familiar with the matter.

May traveled to Brussels on Monday to meet Juncker for what was meant to be a key lunch to hash out the details and tie loose ends. She interrupted the lunch to speak to the leader of the Northern Irish party that props up her government -- and which opposes the EU’s plan for the island after Brexit.

Shortly after that phone call, May and Juncker came out to declare no deal and left without taking questions. The pound fell. As well as the Irish border, the taboo issue of what role the European Court of Justice
 
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