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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

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    are these numbers right
     
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    What about the financial aid given to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland by England?
     
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    Poor Benin - 670 quid!! <laugh>
     
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    Government has climbed down over its attempt in its Brexit Bill to remove the right for individuals and companies to sue the government if it breached its own rules for example over pollution limits. Good, and good on the Tories who made them do it.
     
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    An extra £2.8bn funding for the NHS:1980_boogie_down:

    Oh, and an extra £3bn spending on Brexit 'preparations' - presumably building a wall across Ireland.
     
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    Doesn't Ireland have some responsibility policing and customs enforcing the border as EU members when we leave?
     
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    Good job we can safely ignore the economic advice that the government’s own independent advisors supply though, and that Hammond had to read out today. Growth, investment, productivity projections much worse than expected, hence tax take restricted, hence government borrowing rises, hence more cuts and austerity if the aim is still to balance the public sector budget at some stage in my lifetime (meant to have been done in 2015....)
     
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    Borrowing is down, but low productivity needs to be addressed
     
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    It’s down in absolute terms but much higher than the predictions on which previous spending plans were based.

    To be honest I don’t understand how the productivity stuff is calculated or what it really means. Our productivity is allegedly 30% worse than France’s, yet they have much higher unemployment than us, which to me would mean more unproductive people.
     
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    I assume productivity is based on those working, rather than including those out of work, hence France's figure on productivity alone looks good. On the other hand, as the UK worker becomes more productive with the aid of machinery, software and AI, others will find themselves redundant and in the need of retraining
     
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    If we believe the potential of intelligent machines, as I do though I think it will be very patchily applied for a long time, then a lot of us are going to be redundant in all kinds of professions. Which begs the question who will be able to buy all the stuff and services the machines are making?
     
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    These figures include tax?
     
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    I have no idea, but would assume that if not it would make the U.K. and German ones more expensive than the US one.
     
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  14. Lawrence Jacoby

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    How much is a Porsche Cayenne Turbo S in the US ? Are they cheaper also?
    Durbar will know?

    Also new BMWs in the U.K. ... most as Audi etc are lease hired. Not sure I know of many people who buy new cars straight out so you therefore have finance houses involved ...an industry in itself
     
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    They seem to run $85,000/$90,000. Tax is to be added the amount depends on the state you live in. About 15000 various models sold in 2016. 2018 new models coming out.
     
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  16. Lawrence Jacoby

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    Thank you for the information
     
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    A good question - Arabs and Russians? I'm sceptical about driverless cars in the short term. One fatality in the UK where autocar doesn't recognise a TIR changing lane, and buyers will run from it like a disease. One guinea pig has already been killed in the US
     
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    I can see driverless cars working very well - if every car is driverless, they are all linked, and nobody hacks them.

    We may be waiting some time......
     
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  19. Lawrence Jacoby

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    Guinea Pigs have driven boats every since I was born. It’s a natural progression for them to take to land based vehicles. I seem to remember also that Ratty once flew in a balloon
     
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    I did the RSA driverless artwork in 2015 Based in Greenwich... not heard anything about it recently



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