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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Your first paragraph relates to aborting foetuses for genuine medical reasons and I have no problem with that. I'm talking about the termination of perfectly healthy foetuses. Medical opinion is divided on 6 months. Seems a excessive amount of time to me for a woman to make up her mind if she wants to keep the child, but I'd like to hear argument on both sides.
The termination of perfectly healthy foetuses is the choice of the mother. If a mother gave birth to a 'healthy' baby at 20-24 weeks in the vast majority of cases the result would be rapid death and in the very few examples of surviving they would be severely disabled and have a very low life expectancy. As I said, the weight of medical opinion is on one side regarding timing at the moment, that may change in the future. I notice your preference for 'six months' rather than 24 weeks. 6 months is actually 26 weeks, a significant difference in the gestation of a baby. Except in extreme cases abortion at 6 months is illegal, but I get that it's a more emotive way to express it.

Point stands that the DUP have no interest in the wellbeing of either mother or child.
 
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The termination of perfectly healthy foetuses is the choice of the mother. As I said, the weight of medical opinion is on one side regarding timing at the moment, that may change in the future. I notice your preference for 'six months' rather than 24 weeks. 6 months is actually 26 weeks, a significant difference in the gestation of a baby. Except in extreme cases abortion at 6 months is illegal, but I get that it's a more emotive way to express it.

Point stands that the DUP have no interest in the wellbeing of either mother or child.

6 calender months is 26 weeks. I didn't mention calender. 6 months puts it in perspective, for me anyway.
 
6 calender months is 26 weeks. I didn't mention calender. 6 months puts it in perspective, for me anyway.
Five and a half months would be an accurate perspective.......I hope you're not an architect.

I can understand concerns about 24 weeks, as long as those concerns are around health and wellbeing. I doubt that anyone with these concerns, which are essentially about medicine, would side with the DUP, which forces its religiously based morality on those who don't even belong to their religion. If the objections to abortion are fundamentally moral, that's another story.
 
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What do you think will make it into the Queen's Speech, if the Tories make it that far? Big majority I suppose we would have seen a lot of the Tory manifesto, now they can't afford multiple defeats in Parliament, and a 'supply and confidence' deal with the DUP only covers Queens Speech, budget and confidence votes.

Most of these could go:

Dementia tax
End to triple lock on pensions
National Insurance rises for self employed
Grammar schools
Means tested winter fuel allowance
Heathrow third runway
Fox hunting vote (If this stays in you have to doubt the sanity or at least the sense of priority of the party managers)
Anything that risks even a few Tories rebelling

Aside from Brexit (the Conservative & Unionist Negotiating Team request that their acronym is not used) and perhaps some security measures, can't see that they'll have much to do.
 
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So the election was all those Europeans fault! That should send the conspiracy theorists into overdrive

"It is understood that Juncker had advised May to call an early general election as a result of his concerns that the 17-seat majority she had inherited from David Cameron would not be enough during the pinch points of the negotiations, including over the issue of the UK’s divorce bill, estimated to be as much as €100m"
 
So the election was all those Europeans fault! That should send the conspiracy theorists into overdrive

"It is understood that Juncker had advised May to call an early general election as a result of his concerns that the 17-seat majority she had inherited from David Cameron would not be enough during the pinch points of the negotiations, including over the issue of the UK’s divorce bill, estimated to be as much as €100m"
They're sapping our precious bodily fluids.
 
So the election was all those Europeans fault! That should send the conspiracy theorists into overdrive

"It is understood that Juncker had advised May to call an early general election as a result of his concerns that the 17-seat majority she had inherited from David Cameron would not be enough during the pinch points of the negotiations, including over the issue of the UK’s divorce bill, estimated to be as much as €100m"

Where's this quote from? It's nuts
 
Behold the return of pork barrel politics, where every Tory and DUP MP can hold the government to ransom, demanding stuff for their constituencies so they get elected next time.

But according to a Tory minister, even if they get the new bypass it won't work, because the 27 will make sure we are not better off out of the EU, the fact that we are poorer will be evident to all, the Tories will take the blame and be wiped out on a biblical scale at the next election, after which Corbyn can turn us into Venezuela.
 
Aside from Brexit (the Conservative & Unionist Negotiating Team request that their acronym is not used) and perhaps some security measures, can't see that they'll have much to do.

I think the DUP should insist on that acronym, you could imagine the greatest ever headline 'Government falls because they refused to be called ****'...
 
I seem to remember Gordon Brown's Labour Government getting into bed with the DUP.........................just saying!
 
Davidson calls for main parties to come together to reach a consensus on Brexit position, Corbyn says 'no, I don't think there is a consensus' summing up everything that is wrong with British politics. You make a consensus it doesn't just happen with everyone agreeing with you. Talk, you idiot. He doesn't want to be seen to be a part of anything that could risk his chances in the next election. Just about any deal reached with the EU will make a large chunk of the electorate unhappy, so let's avoid any blame, and then say 'it wasn't our fault, vote for us'.

Stop putting party and ideology ahead of country, at the very least say 'ok we'll give it a go, we only have one chance to get this vaguely right, we'll keep an open mind' even if you have doubts over whether it will work. And it will show that you are serious about being a party of government.
 
Davidson calls for main parties to come together to reach a consensus on Brexit position, Corbyn says 'no, I don't think there is a consensus' summing up everything that is wrong with British politics. You make a consensus it doesn't just happen with everyone agreeing with you. Talk, you idiot. He doesn't want to be seen to be a part of anything that could risk his chances in the next election. Just about any deal reached with the EU will make a large chunk of the electorate unhappy, so let's avoid any blame, and then say 'it wasn't our fault, vote for us'.

Stop putting party and ideology ahead of country, at the very least say 'ok we'll give it a go, we only have one chance to get this vaguely right, we'll keep an open mind' even if you have doubts over whether it will work. And it will show that you are serious about being a party of government.


When has Corbyn ever shown any inclination to put his Country first?
 
When has Corbyn ever shown any inclination to put his Country first?
Never as far as I know, but I did think he was at heart a proper parliamentarian like his hero and mentor Tony Benn. Mind you, Benn was a narrow ideologue as well, even if he was a great orator.
 
Davidson calls for main parties to come together to reach a consensus on Brexit position, Corbyn says 'no, I don't think there is a consensus' summing up everything that is wrong with British politics. You make a consensus it doesn't just happen with everyone agreeing with you. Talk, you idiot. He doesn't want to be seen to be a part of anything that could risk his chances in the next election. Just about any deal reached with the EU will make a large chunk of the electorate unhappy, so let's avoid any blame, and then say 'it wasn't our fault, vote for us'.

Stop putting party and ideology ahead of country, at the very least say 'ok we'll give it a go, we only have one chance to get this vaguely right, we'll keep an open mind' even if you have doubts over whether it will work. And it will show that you are serious about being a party of government.

Sounds like there's a fair bit to lose and not much to gain for Labour from that. Getting into bed as the lesser partner with the Tories doesn't tend to benefit you. Look at Cleggy Clegg- not even an MP now and forced to sit on a beach collecting rent on his Spanish property portfolio forever.