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The division is there already. 46% of UK Muslims support Hamas. 40% want Sharia law
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There are 4 million people saying they are Muslim in the country, according to the census. So, even if these figures are true, we are talking about less than 2 million people in a population of over 67 million. Hardly a major ‘division’.
 
Farage is a dickhead being paid to stoke division. Good gig if you can get it. He appeals to a certain type of person and so be it.
Given that the project that he, Johnson, Gove and Rees Mogg trumpeted and lied about is seen by the majority of British people as a self inflicted wound that should be reversed it’s amazing anyone is still interested in what the nasty old **** has to say.
 
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There are 4 million people saying they are Muslim in the country, according to the census. So, even if these figures are true, we are talking about less than 2 million people in a population of over 67 million. Hardly a major ‘division’.
A Recent Poll Shows That 46% of British Muslims Say They Sympathize With Hamas Terrorists

The poll commissioned by a counter-extremism think tank revealed concerning sentiments among British Muslims regarding Hamas. According to the survey, 46 percent of British Muslims sympathize with Hamas, while a staggering 75 percent do not believe the Islamic terrorist organization committed murder or rape during the October 7 massacre in Israel. Additionally, 39 percent of respondents claimed Hamas did not commit any atrocities on that day.

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Conducted six months after the attack, this survey represents the largest of its kind since October 7. It focused on British Muslims and the general public, with questions commissioned by the Henry Jackson Society and conducted by JL Partners. Sampling 1,000 representative British Muslims and 2,013 UK adults, the survey revealed alarming views within the community, with a margin of error of 3.1% and 2.2% respectively.

Regarding attitudes towards Jews, the survey found that 46 percent of British Muslims believe Jews have excessive influence over the UK government, while 41 percent think they wield too much power in the media industry. Additionally, 39 percent perceive Jews as having excessive influence in UK finance. Moreover, a third of British Muslims expressed a desire for Shariah law implementation in the UK
 
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There are 4 million people saying they are Muslim in the country, according to the census. So, even if these figures are true, we are talking about less than 2 million people in a population of over 67 million. Hardly a major ‘division’.

Google it. It's all over the internet, multiple sources.

2 million people in the UK whose allegiance is to elements outside the country that is a hostile to the UK would be major. Suppose the UK found itself at war with Islamic Iran, possibly as an evolution of the Ukraine/ Russia conflict. The possibility of a 5th column is massive.

There is a town near Michigan, US, that is now run by Islamists along the lines of Sharia. Sectarian politics. Women's rights are being suppressed, ritual sacrifice of live animals is legal in all homes and some trappings of LGBTQ (rainbow stuff) is illegal. In recent Gaza marches, there have been chants of "Death to America".

The irony is that immigration to the US from Islamic countries has been insisted on by liberals, yet they are introducing to the country the most far right individuals in the world. Probably less so in the UK, perhaps because they're on a tighter rein.

Nothing I've said on the above means that we don't have some decent Muslims in the UK who integrate well with Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhists alike.
 
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Google it. It's all over the internet, multiple sources.

2 million people in the UK whose allegiance is to elements outside the country that is a hostile to the UK would be major. Suppose the UK found itself at war with Islamic Iran, possibly as an evolution of the Ukraine/ Russia conflict. The possibility of a 5th column is massive.

There is a town near Michigan, US, that is now run by Islamists along the lines of Sharia. Sectarian politics. Women's rights are being suppressed, ritual sacrifice of live animals is legal in all homes and some trappings of LGBTQ (rainbow stuff) is illegal. In recent Gaza marches, there have been chants of "Death to America".

The irony is that immigration to the US from Islamic countries has been insisted on by liberals, yet they are introducing to the country the most far right individuals in the world. Probably less so in the UK, perhaps because they're on a tighter rein.

Nothing I've said on the above means that we don't have some decent Muslims in the UK who integrate well with Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Buddhists alike.
Presumably you mean Hamtramck, which is in Michigan (rather than ‘near’ it). It’s a small town (28,000) in the economically depressed area of Detroit. The population is majority Islamic, so it no surprise that the city council is made up of Muslims. While there is no evidence of sharia law being imposed (please share if you have it, I have googled already) the socially conservative Islamic values, not wildly too different to socially conservative Christians, seem to hold sway.

Of course, to progressive social liberals like me this stinks, as does any ‘moral’ code imposed by a medieval ideology (or any other ideology for that matter). But that’s representative democracy for you.
 
Presumably you mean Hamtramck, which is in Michigan (rather than ‘near’ it). It’s a small town (28,000) in the economically depressed area of Detroit. The population is majority Islamic, so it no surprise that the city council is made up of Muslims. While there is no evidence of sharia law being imposed (please share if you have it, I have googled already) the socially conservative Islamic values, not wildly too different to socially conservative Christians, seem to hold sway.

Of course, to progressive social liberals like me this stinks, as does any ‘moral’ code imposed by a medieval ideology (or any other ideology for that matter). But that’s representative democracy for you.

I was listening on the radio, and I don't recall whether it was Hamtramck or Dearborn. I guess that's the problem with liberalism. Something like radical Islam looks as though it could raise its ugly head as it did with ISIS, as it has in Iran, and the Muslim population increasing in the UK every day, the liberals shrug and say, nothing to see here, wait until there's a crisis. Then there those that take a more cautious, I'd say, prudent line, and head off the problem before it becomes insoluble
 
I was listening on the radio, and I don't recall whether it was Hamtramck or Dearborn. I guess that's the problem with liberalism. Something like radical Islam looks as though it could raise its ugly head as it did with ISIS, as it has in Iran, and the Muslim population increasing in the UK every day, the liberals shrug and say, nothing to see here, wait until there's a crisis. Then there those that take a more cautious, I'd say, prudent line, and head off the problem before it becomes insoluble
How would you ‘head off the problem’?
 
How would you ‘head off the problem’?

Restrict legal immigration from certain countries, would be a start. Take all available steps to encourage integration of all UK communities. Take a much harder line on radical imams and deport them. Resist sectarian parties in Parliament. I'm sure greater political minds than mine would have other ideas.
 
Politics in the UK is in a sorry state, but by **** it's truly bollocksed in the US.

Trump can still stand, even if he's in jail, but he can't vote for himself!
 
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can give himself a pardon if he wins though
I am told that he cannot for this crime., but it is a little open for debate.

I was going to say...that it wouldn't be a good look...
But then I remembered that we are talking about Trump...so that doesn't matter either