Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
qprbeth said:
Not what I heard.

According to investigations completed by the BBC and News 24/7, contradicting the Greek coastguard's account of the incident, the boat had not moved for at least seven hours before sinking.[21][22] A New York Times investigation found that the authorities watched and listened for 13 hours as the boat lost power and drifted aimlessly.[15] An investigation by the Washington Post retraced the Adriana's route on the Mediterranean Sea and reported that decisions taken by the HCG had contributed to the tragedy.[7]

A joint investigative team of researchers and journalists, including Solomon, the Forensis research group—a sister organisation of Forensic Architecture—The Guardian, Der Spiegel, and the German national broadcaster, ARD[76] examined court documents, sources from the coastguards, as well as survivors' interviews and found evidence contradicting the HCG's original reports.[23] Other sources for their investigative reporting included "distress signals, videos and photographs by the HCG, Frontex, and nearby commercial vessels as well as logs and testimonies."[77] They said that the Greek coastguard is responsible for the sinking.[13][16][24] The joint investigation by Solomon, Forensis, the StrgF/ARD, and The Guardian won the European Parliaments 2023 Daphne Caruana Galizia Prize for investigating the Adriana shipwreck.[78]

An investigation by the BBC alleged that the coastguard pressured the survivors of the wreck to frame the Egyptians as the smugglers.[47] A joint investigation by Lighthouse Reports, Der Spiegel, SIRAJ, El País and Reporters United has revealed that a Libyan network with ties to Khalifa Haftar, was responsible for the smuggling.[79]
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What source is that?
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Wiki, 2nd para, confirms what I said. Survivors claimed the Greek vessel was trying to tow the ageing trawler provided by organised crime to the migrants.
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And the last paragraph indicates the surviving migrants were pressurised into saying that Egypt were the smugglers...and what else.


Perhaps the Guardian is a better source for you Goldie.

"But based on interviews with 21 survivors, five relatives of people still missing, representatives of the Greek coast guard and police, international aid organisations and the United Nations, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch claimed Greek authorities had not only failed to mobilise “appropriate resources for a rescue” but had “ignored or redirected” offers of assistance from the EU border agency Frontex.

There was no immediate reaction from Greek authorities to the report.

The rights groups argued that despite officials being alerted to the presence of children on board and informed that several passengers were “very sick,” survivors’ testimonies suggested the Greek patrol boat did nothing until it was too late."


This comes from UN
 
Report by European Council on Foreign Relations, predicts that after a raft of continental wide elections in June, 18 out of 27 of EU member states will either be governed by anti-EU parties or these parties will be dominant. If Trump gets into power, Starmer's going to be the meat in the sandwich.
 
Bwood_Ranger said:
Lots of waffle but Israel basically given the green light to crack on and get the job done. All good. Time for lunch.
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After what Hamas did on October 7, there can be no let up in driving it out of Gaza. At the same time, Israel have a duty to keep civilian deaths to a minumum and the world will be watching
 
About time too....

Ex-Tory peer Michelle Mone's assets frozen

Assets controlled by former Tory peer Michelle Mone and her husband Doug Barrowman have been frozen under a court order obtained by the Crown Prosecution Service.

PPE Medro, a company led by Mr Barrowman, is under investigation by authorities.

It was awarded contracts worth more than £200m to supply PPE to the NHS through a so-called VIP lane.

The company is also being sued by the Department for Health and Social Care.

The Financial Times reported that restrictions had been placed over £75m worth of assets, including a townhouse in Belgravia, properties in Glasgow, an estate on the Isle of Man and numerous bank accounts.

The order prevented the sale of some assets and placed restrictions on others, the paper said.

A spokesperson for Baroness Mone and Mr Barrowman has confirmed that assets controlled by the couple have been frozen or restrained under a court order obtained by the CPS.

The National Crime Agency is currently investigating "suspected criminal offences" in contracts for personal protective equipment (PPE) awarded during the Covid pandemic to PPE Medpro.
 
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