I know the phrase is used by Hamas with that implication, but the Labour MP was sacked for saying “We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty”. This seems uncontroversial to me.
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I know the phrase is used by Hamas with that implication, but the Labour MP was sacked for saying “We won’t rest until we have justice, until all people, Israelis and Palestinians, between the river and the sea can live in peaceful liberty”. This seems uncontroversial to me.
I thought that project got canned ages ago…
It's not secure
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...eli-firm-deeply-involved-in-hacking-our-users
Foolish to think otherwise
He knew exactly what 'from the river to the sea' meant.
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"From the river to the sea" (Arabic: من النهر إلى البحر, romanized: min an-nahr ’ilā l-baḥr) is a political slogan associated with Palestinian nationalism. The slogan refers geographically to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, which includes the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip.[1][2]
The slogan has been used by political groups since the 1960s to advocate for Palestinian liberation. Its meaning is a subject of controversy. Some interpret the slogan, which references the geographical area that includes Israel, as a call for the destruction of the Jewish state, replacing it with a Palestinian state. This interpretation has been adopted by militant groups including Hamas, which explicitly vowed to destroy Israel after its formation in the late 1980s. Another interpretation suggests that the slogan calls for a one-state solution — a single state encompassing what is today Israel and the Palestinian territories, where people of all religions have equal citizenship.[1][3][4]
The slogan is regarded by the ADL as anti-Semitic, it has also come under scrutiny in Germany, Austria and the UK, where it has been proposed to classify it as a criminal offense.[5][6][7][8][9][10]
Usage
Originally a political slogan, it has been in use by Palestinian political groups since the 1960s as a call for Palestinian liberation. By 1969, according to Professor Robin Kelley of the University of California, Los Angeles, the phrase "Free Palestine from the river to the sea" came to represent its desire for "one democratic secular state that would supersede the ethno-religious state of Israel."[4] According to Associate Professor Ron J. Smith of Bucknell University, since Palestinian nationalism envisages a land-based state, whilst Israeli nationalism envisages an ethnically-based state, the use of this phrase is understood differently by Israelis and Palestinians. According to Ron Smith, for Palestinians it refers to the entirety of Mandatory Palestine.[11]
The slogan has been used widely in pro-Palestinian protest movements.[12] It has often been chanted at pro-Palestinian demonstrations, usually followed or preceded by the phrase "Palestine will be free".[13][14][15] Interpretations differ amongst supporters of the slogan. Civic figures, activists, and progressive publications have said that it calls for a One-state solution, a single, secular state in all of historic Palestine where people of all religions have equal citizenship.[16] This stands in contrast to the Two-state solution, which envisions a Palestinian state existing alongside a Jewish state.[3][17][18][19] This usage has been described as speaking out for the right of Palestinians “to live freely in the land from the river to the sea”, with Palestinian writer Yousef Munayyer describing the phrase as “a rejoinder to the fragmentation of Palestinian land and people by Israeli occupation and discrimination.”[20] Others have simply said it stands for "the equal freedom and dignity of the Palestinian people."[17][21]
Some Islamic militant groups (including Hamas and Islamic Jihad), and Arab leaders (such as Saddam Hussein) came to utilize the slogan when calling for the supplementation of Israel with a unified Palestinian state, sometimes also proposing the removal of all or most of its Jewish population.[22][5][23][24][8][25][26] Hamas, as part of its revised 2017 charter, rejected “any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea", referring to all areas of former Mandatory Palestine and by extent, the elimination of Jewish sovereignty in the region.[24][27][28][29] Islamic Jihad declared that “from the river to the sea - [Palestine] is an Arab Islamic land that [it] is legally forbidden from abandoning any inch of, and the Israeli presence in Palestine is a null existence, which is forbidden by law to recognize.[30] Islamic supporters have utilized a version stating "Palestine is Islamic from the river to the sea", with certain Islamic scholars have declared the Mahdi - a redemptive apocalyptic figure central to Islamic eschatology - will declare "Jerusalem is Arab Muslim, and Palestine — all of it, from the river to the sea — is Arab Muslim."[31][32]
A similar slogan was used in the 1977 charter of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".[4] Some commentators have referred to Israeli occupation as a policy of Israeli control and oppression of Palestinians "from the river to the sea."[33][34][35]
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"From the river to the sea" (Arabic: من النهر إلى البحر, romanized: min an-nahr ’ilā l-baḥr) is a political slogan associated with Palestinian nationalism. The slogan refers geographically to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, which includes the State of Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip.[1][2]
The slogan has been used by political groups since the 1960s to advocate for Palestinian liberation. Its meaning is a subject of controversy. Some interpret the slogan, which references the geographical area that includes Israel, as a call for the destruction of the Jewish state, replacing it with a Palestinian state. This interpretation has been adopted by militant groups including Hamas, which explicitly vowed to destroy Israel after its formation in the late 1980s. Another interpretation suggests that the slogan calls for a one-state solution — a single state encompassing what is today Israel and the Palestinian territories, where people of all religions have equal citizenship.[1][3][4]
The slogan is regarded by the ADL as anti-Semitic, it has also come under scrutiny in Germany, Austria and the UK, where it has been proposed to classify it as a criminal offense.[5][6][7][8][9][10]
Usage
Originally a political slogan, it has been in use by Palestinian political groups since the 1960s as a call for Palestinian liberation. By 1969, according to Professor Robin Kelley of the University of California, Los Angeles, the phrase "Free Palestine from the river to the sea" came to represent its desire for "one democratic secular state that would supersede the ethno-religious state of Israel."[4] According to Associate Professor Ron J. Smith of Bucknell University, since Palestinian nationalism envisages a land-based state, whilst Israeli nationalism envisages an ethnically-based state, the use of this phrase is understood differently by Israelis and Palestinians. According to Ron Smith, for Palestinians it refers to the entirety of Mandatory Palestine.[11]
The slogan has been used widely in pro-Palestinian protest movements.[12] It has often been chanted at pro-Palestinian demonstrations, usually followed or preceded by the phrase "Palestine will be free".[13][14][15] Interpretations differ amongst supporters of the slogan. Civic figures, activists, and progressive publications have said that it calls for a One-state solution, a single, secular state in all of historic Palestine where people of all religions have equal citizenship.[16] This stands in contrast to the Two-state solution, which envisions a Palestinian state existing alongside a Jewish state.[3][17][18][19] This usage has been described as speaking out for the right of Palestinians “to live freely in the land from the river to the sea”, with Palestinian writer Yousef Munayyer describing the phrase as “a rejoinder to the fragmentation of Palestinian land and people by Israeli occupation and discrimination.”[20] Others have simply said it stands for "the equal freedom and dignity of the Palestinian people."[17][21]
Some Islamic militant groups (including Hamas and Islamic Jihad), and Arab leaders (such as Saddam Hussein) came to utilize the slogan when calling for the supplementation of Israel with a unified Palestinian state, sometimes also proposing the removal of all or most of its Jewish population.[22][5][23][24][8][25][26] Hamas, as part of its revised 2017 charter, rejected “any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea", referring to all areas of former Mandatory Palestine and by extent, the elimination of Jewish sovereignty in the region.[24][27][28][29] Islamic Jihad declared that “from the river to the sea - [Palestine] is an Arab Islamic land that [it] is legally forbidden from abandoning any inch of, and the Israeli presence in Palestine is a null existence, which is forbidden by law to recognize.[30] Islamic supporters have utilized a version stating "Palestine is Islamic from the river to the sea", with certain Islamic scholars have declared the Mahdi - a redemptive apocalyptic figure central to Islamic eschatology - will declare "Jerusalem is Arab Muslim, and Palestine — all of it, from the river to the sea — is Arab Muslim."[31][32]
A similar slogan was used in the 1977 charter of the Israeli political party Likud, which stated that "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty".[4] Some commentators have referred to Israeli occupation as a policy of Israeli control and oppression of Palestinians "from the river to the sea."[33][34][35]
cant imagine any of the neighbouring countries want the palestinians
think they all love having the refugee camp to bash israel with
think they all love having the refugee camp to bash israel with
UN Human Rights Committee
Who's chairing it?
Iran
Couldn't make it up.
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Who's chairing it?
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Migrants to Europe dying in gun battles and car crashes
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The Hungarian government has shared footage of guns being increasingly used at the southern border with Serbia
By Nick Thorpe
BBC News, Hungary
Lethal exchanges of gunfire between smugglers and fatal car crashes have made the migrant route through the Western Balkans into the EU even more treacherous in recent months. And yet the number of arrivals keeps rising.
A gun battle between rival gangs last week left at least three people dead, believed to be Afghans. The shootings took place in derelict Serbian farm buildings a few hundred metres from the Hungarian border fence.
Police blame growing violence on a turf war between Moroccan, Afghan and Syrian gangs who control access to the border fence on Hungary's southern border with Serbia.
Residents of the Serbian border villages of Horgos and Hajdukovo as well as the city of Subotica have appealed to police to restore calm. Some accuse police on both sides of the border of colluding with the smugglers.
The Austrian and Slovak governments have protested to Hungary that so many migrants reach their borders via Hungary, despite the heavily fortified fence, daily detentions and pushbacks, and the fierce anti-migrant rhetoric of Prime Minister Viktor Orban.
"Sometimes the agents [his word for smugglers] are very cruel, very angry, and they beat us," said Sadar, a 33-year-old former Afghan army officer. "Other times they are kind, bring us food, and give us good accommodation."
I met him near a collection of derelict buildings in the scrubland on the Serbian side of the Hungarian fence. He had just arrived by bus from Pirot on the Serbia-Bulgaria border, he said, after a gruelling 25-day forced march across Bulgaria.
He had come from Istanbul, where he paid $10,000 (£8,250) for a through-ticket to Germany.
A video seen by the BBC in Subotica shows smugglers berating and beating terrified young Afghans who tried to cross the fence without paying them. Another video shows an earlier gun battle near Subotica.
Image caption,
Migrants are still making the journey despite the rising violence along the route
The formidable, electrified razor-wire Hungarian fence along the 175km (108-mile) border not only helps smugglers control who crosses when, but also allows them to eliminate "individual initiatives".
Young migrants used to call it "the game". Several groups would simultaneously cut through the fence at different spots knowing that most would be caught and pushed back, but a few might get through.
The game is now over.
The arrival of automatic rifles and pistols from Kosovo has added a new element of risk. In one deadly incident in July last year, in the Makova Sedmica suburb of Subotica, a 16-year-old girl was killed and seven migrants injured in a gun battle, allegedly between Moroccan and Afghan gangs.
Last Friday's shooting, near the fence at Horgos, is said to have begun when a Syrian-led gang attacked an established Afghan gang. Migrants crossing through northern Serbia are mostly Syrians and Afghans, but there are also Kurds, Pakistanis and other nationalities.
Police say the smugglers are armed, never the migrants.
"I understand the fear of local people," says Virag Gyurkovics, a Subotica-based journalist. "But the problem is that the average person doesn't make a difference between the traffickers and the refugees. Although the refugees are also victims."
Image caption,
A car carrying migrants crashed in Hungary near the Serbian border last week
"The wire has only one purpose," says local activist Vladimir Polovina. "Not to stop migration. But to have control of payments. They want every euro from every man who crosses over the border. If you have a wire, you can do that."
Back on the Hungarian side, a video compiled by the government shows men throwing ladders up against the fence, jumping down and beating police cars with long sticks. Infrared footage captured by security cameras shows men toting guns.
There's a growing cult of weapons among some of the smugglers. A video filmed in Subotica in broad daylight shows a Kalashnikov between the two front seats of a smugglers' car.
"The fence is being constantly damaged," says the head of the anti-trafficking unit of Hungarian police, Gabor Balog. "They use various power tools. They cut huge holes in the fence, hundreds of them, the size of doorways."
Another policeman describes a group of migrants being pushed through the fence at gunpoint, which appears to confirm Serbian reports of smuggler violence against those they are trying to get into Hungary.
Hungarian police say around 80 people are caught after crossing the fence every night. Many others are caught later in vehicles deep inside the country.
Image caption,
The Austrian and Slovak governments have protested to Hungary that so many migrants reach their borders
There are also cases of migrants being beaten by Hungarian police and "border-hunters" which have been documented by Serbian medical workers and Hungarian journalists, but they are denied by Hungarian police.
There are no numbers for those who get away, but most of those detained are pushed back through a gate in the fence near Horgos. These so-called pushbacks break international law and Hungary has been condemned for them by the European Court of Justice.
Wrecked, burnt-out cars line the roadside on the Hungarian side of the fence between the villages of Asotthalom and Morahalom. These are the vehicles used by smugglers who then got caught.
On the far side of Hungary, near the northern border with Slovakia, pieces of broken mirror and plastic lie in the grass beside the roundabout in the village of Matraverebely.
This was where a van carrying 12 migrants spun out of control and crashed during a high-speed police chase in early October on Highway 21 which runs north through the village to the Slovak border. Seven migrants were injured.
It was one of at least 20 crashes involving migrants in Hungary in the past year.
Across the border in Austria, police list 70 incidents in the eastern state of Burgenland alone, when smugglers tried to evade police controls.
Austrian police blame a new business model introduced by gang bosses. Drivers only get paid if they are successful, whereas in the past they received half their money upfront.
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The Hungarian government has shared footage of guns being increasingly used at the southern border with Serbia
By Nick Thorpe
BBC News, Hungary
Lethal exchanges of gunfire between smugglers and fatal car crashes have made the migrant route through the Western Balkans into the EU even more treacherous in recent months. And yet the number of arrivals keeps rising.
A gun battle between rival gangs last week left at least three people dead, believed to be Afghans. The shootings took place in derelict Serbian farm buildings a few hundred metres from the Hungarian border fence.
Police blame growing violence on a turf war between Moroccan, Afghan and Syrian gangs who control access to the border fence on Hungary's southern border with Serbia.
Residents of the Serbian border villages of Horgos and Hajdukovo as well as the city of Subotica have appealed to police to restore calm. Some accuse police on both sides of the border of colluding with the smugglers.
The Austrian and Slovak governments have protested to Hungary that so many migrants reach their borders via Hungary, despite the heavily fortified fence, daily detentions and pushbacks, and the fierce anti-migrant rhetoric of Prime Minister Viktor Orban.
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"Sometimes the agents [his word for smugglers] are very cruel, very angry, and they beat us," said Sadar, a 33-year-old former Afghan army officer. "Other times they are kind, bring us food, and give us good accommodation."
I met him near a collection of derelict buildings in the scrubland on the Serbian side of the Hungarian fence. He had just arrived by bus from Pirot on the Serbia-Bulgaria border, he said, after a gruelling 25-day forced march across Bulgaria.
He had come from Istanbul, where he paid $10,000 (£8,250) for a through-ticket to Germany.
A video seen by the BBC in Subotica shows smugglers berating and beating terrified young Afghans who tried to cross the fence without paying them. Another video shows an earlier gun battle near Subotica.
You must log in or register to see images
Image caption,
Migrants are still making the journey despite the rising violence along the route
The formidable, electrified razor-wire Hungarian fence along the 175km (108-mile) border not only helps smugglers control who crosses when, but also allows them to eliminate "individual initiatives".
Young migrants used to call it "the game". Several groups would simultaneously cut through the fence at different spots knowing that most would be caught and pushed back, but a few might get through.
The game is now over.
The arrival of automatic rifles and pistols from Kosovo has added a new element of risk. In one deadly incident in July last year, in the Makova Sedmica suburb of Subotica, a 16-year-old girl was killed and seven migrants injured in a gun battle, allegedly between Moroccan and Afghan gangs.
Last Friday's shooting, near the fence at Horgos, is said to have begun when a Syrian-led gang attacked an established Afghan gang. Migrants crossing through northern Serbia are mostly Syrians and Afghans, but there are also Kurds, Pakistanis and other nationalities.
Police say the smugglers are armed, never the migrants.
"I understand the fear of local people," says Virag Gyurkovics, a Subotica-based journalist. "But the problem is that the average person doesn't make a difference between the traffickers and the refugees. Although the refugees are also victims."
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IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERSImage caption,
A car carrying migrants crashed in Hungary near the Serbian border last week
"The wire has only one purpose," says local activist Vladimir Polovina. "Not to stop migration. But to have control of payments. They want every euro from every man who crosses over the border. If you have a wire, you can do that."
Back on the Hungarian side, a video compiled by the government shows men throwing ladders up against the fence, jumping down and beating police cars with long sticks. Infrared footage captured by security cameras shows men toting guns.
There's a growing cult of weapons among some of the smugglers. A video filmed in Subotica in broad daylight shows a Kalashnikov between the two front seats of a smugglers' car.
"The fence is being constantly damaged," says the head of the anti-trafficking unit of Hungarian police, Gabor Balog. "They use various power tools. They cut huge holes in the fence, hundreds of them, the size of doorways."
Another policeman describes a group of migrants being pushed through the fence at gunpoint, which appears to confirm Serbian reports of smuggler violence against those they are trying to get into Hungary.
Hungarian police say around 80 people are caught after crossing the fence every night. Many others are caught later in vehicles deep inside the country.
You must log in or register to see images
IMAGE SOURCE,REUTERSImage caption,
The Austrian and Slovak governments have protested to Hungary that so many migrants reach their borders
There are also cases of migrants being beaten by Hungarian police and "border-hunters" which have been documented by Serbian medical workers and Hungarian journalists, but they are denied by Hungarian police.
There are no numbers for those who get away, but most of those detained are pushed back through a gate in the fence near Horgos. These so-called pushbacks break international law and Hungary has been condemned for them by the European Court of Justice.
Wrecked, burnt-out cars line the roadside on the Hungarian side of the fence between the villages of Asotthalom and Morahalom. These are the vehicles used by smugglers who then got caught.
On the far side of Hungary, near the northern border with Slovakia, pieces of broken mirror and plastic lie in the grass beside the roundabout in the village of Matraverebely.
This was where a van carrying 12 migrants spun out of control and crashed during a high-speed police chase in early October on Highway 21 which runs north through the village to the Slovak border. Seven migrants were injured.
It was one of at least 20 crashes involving migrants in Hungary in the past year.
Across the border in Austria, police list 70 incidents in the eastern state of Burgenland alone, when smugglers tried to evade police controls.
Austrian police blame a new business model introduced by gang bosses. Drivers only get paid if they are successful, whereas in the past they received half their money upfront.
Good News! I found the answer to my question about why the neighboring Arab States don't want Palestinians.
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And of course, since 2006, young Palestinians in Gaza have been ruled and educated by a death cult that brainwashed them into believing their duty was to see that Israel was removed from the face of the Earth and all non-Muslim "infidels" murdered in the name of Allah. A sizeable proportion of those so indoctrinated will be a potential danger to Western states and their citizens for the rest of their lives
The head of Hezbollah says the Hamas attack on Israel was right, wise and just.
Marvelous!!
That should help.
Marvelous!!
That should help.
I doubt he’s naive enough to not realise what he was saying. Labour get enough nonsense thrown at them by the press and government without their own MPs saying dumb ****.