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[Goldhawk-Road]

So is it happening to a great extent and a big problem in our schools ?
Or is it just happening in a few, right on middle class, paid for the privilege, types of school and honestly no big deal ?
Just ‘cos some right wing academic says it’s endemic in our mainstream schools doesn’t make it so… then I’ll just call it out for what it is…..a hysterical call, meant to pander to the likes of your good self so you can all shout “Infamy, Infamy…they’ve all got it in infamy”
I had a poll this morning of 3 mixed race kids and 100% said it was never taught in their classroom so I’ve proved it doesn’t happen, eh ?

To me it’s a bit like the furore over young girls having their drinks spiked…..the media make it out to be a massive concern and that the practice is wide spread….where clearly it really isn’t. (Of course not saying that if and when this kind of thing did take place, and it certainly has I’m sure, it wouldn’t be horrible and vile)
It’s all about media hysteria…..and sadly people like you fall for it.

I think it's clear to most people that this is a unwelcome, negative doctrine that is coming over from the States, and what the Parliamentary Education Committee has done is put a shot across the bows of schools that are introducing critical race theory and warned them that it is not legal to push it at schoolkids. As far as I know, it has not developed into enough of a problem to prosecute a school, but all this is recent and there is still time.

I'm not sure why you should think it is happening in middle class private schools, I would have thought more likely in state schools where there is a large section of kids of colour where it is used to tell white kids they're lucky and they should be more considerate to their non-white counterparts.

As I say, I don't think this is going away, so we'll await developments.

And, yes, spiking of drinks and date rape drugs are serious and I don't think over-hyped. A serious issue for young women. You seem remarkably complacent about them, may be because it doesn't affect you personally.

 

[Steelmonkey]

I had a poll this morning of 3 mixed race kids and 100% said it was never taught in their classroom so I’ve proved it doesn’t happen, eh ?

I've just posed this question to my son, his girlfriend, my niece and my nephew - all from different education backgrounds - they all looked at me as if I was talking a foreign language, had never heard of this total bollocks.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

THE TIMES

UK NEWS
Nearly half of young people believe Britain is structurally racist

James Beal
Monday November 21 2022, 12.01am, The Times

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Six in ten school-leavers said they had been taught concepts associated with “critical race theory”
Almost half of young people believe that Britain was founded on racism and is still “structurally racist”, a study says.

Research by Eric Kaufmann, an academic at Birkbeck, University of London, for the think tank Policy Exchange, raised concerns that children are being taught contested ideas as fact.

Six in ten school-leavers said they had been taught concepts associated with “critical race theory”.


According to polling by YouGov, 18 to 24-year-olds is the only age group that believe schools should “teach students that Britain was founded on racism and remains structurally racist today”. The age group supported the statement by a majority of 42 to 25. Adults rejected it by 53 per cent to 24 per cent.

A total of 59 per cent of school-leavers said they were taught, or had heard from an adult at school, at least one of three concepts linked to critical race theory. Critical race theory, an academic approach to race developed in the United States, is linked to the ideas of white privilege, systemic racism and unconscious bias. When asked whether they had encountered the concept of “patriarchy” at school or the idea that there are many genders, 65 per cent of school-leavers said they had been taught about at least one of the ideas.


Young people also appear to be less attached to free speech. Twenty-nine per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds say that JK Rowling should be dropped by her publishers because of her views on transgender issues. That compared with 10 per cent of adults and 3 per cent of those over 50. An equal proportion of young people (38 per cent) agreed and disagreed with the idea of removing Winston Churchill’s statue from Parliament Square because he held racist views.

Among adults, 68 per cent disagreed with moving the statue compared with only 12 per cent who agreed.

The research suggested that while the public as a whole generally reject “woke” views by two to one, among young people the ratio is more equal.

Sir John Hayes, the chairman of the Common Sense Group of Conservative MPs, told The Daily Telegraph: “It’s sad but unsurprising that so many young people, befuddled and bemused by militant propaganda, have bought some of the lies peddled by extremists.

“The government must make absolutely clear to educators at all levels that spreading this kind of information is incompatible to providing a broad and balanced education.”

Policy Exchange said the government should update Ofsted guidance to ensure political impartiality advice was “systematically enforced”.

 

[Staines R's]

I think it's clear to most people that this is a unwelcome, negative doctrine that is coming over from the States, and what the Parliamentary Education Committee has done is put a shot across the bows of schools that are introducing critical race theory and warned them that it is not legal to push it at schoolkids. As far as I know, it has not developed into enough of a problem to prosecute a school, but all this is recent and there is still time.

I'm not sure why you should think it is happening in middle class private schools, I would have thought more likely in state schools where there is a large section of kids of colour where it is used to tell white kids they're lucky and they should be more considerate to their non-white counterparts.

As I say, I don't think this is going away, so we'll await developments.

And, yes, spiking of drinks and date rape drugs are serious and I don't think over-hyped. A serious issue for young women. You seem remarkably complacent about them, may be because it doesn't affect you personally.

So you have no evidence what so ever, other than what you read in your right wing diatribes. Thought as much.

And to you’re last paragraph…..it says it all about who you are Goldie.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

So you have no evidence what so ever, other than what you read in your right wing diatribes. Thought as much.

And to you’re last paragraph…..it says it all about who you are Goldie.

Yeah, I care about young women being date-raped. But you're all right, Jack, aren't you, Stainsey?

 

[Staines R's]

I've just posed this question to my son, his girlfriend, my niece and my nephew - all from different education backgrounds - they all looked at me as if I was talking a foreign language, had never heard of this total bollocks.

Goldie from Not 606 read it somewhere that it is a massive problem…of course he can’t say where it’s a problem and give any Everdeen el that this is a problem…..but the Telegraph says it is…so it must be so.
What do the kids who actually go to school nowadays know, eh ?

 

[Staines R's]

Yeah, I care about young women being date-raped. But you're all right, Jack, aren't you, Stainsey?

You’re coming over as being a bit of a silly old **** now Goldie……some would say a bit of a silly, right wing old ****.
If you want an honest discussion on the subject I’m all ears….

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

You’re coming over as being a bit of a silly old **** now Goldie……some would say a bit of a silly, right wing old ****.
If you want an honest discussion on the subject I’m all ears….

You don't have to a silly old right wing **** to care about young women being date raped, mate.

 

[Staines R's]

You don't have to a silly old right wing **** to care about young women being date raped, mate.

And where did I say I didn’t ?
Or are you still being a little bit silly and trying to get a rise out of me ?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

And where did I say I didn’t ?
Or are you still being a little bit silly and trying to get a rise out of me ?

Would I do that?

 

[Staines R's]

Would I do that?

Probably as much as I would

 

[daverangers]

Schools should do their best to create an even playing field for kids and no discrimination over colour, race, religion, and sexuality. But beyond that it's hard. Some kids are brighter than others, some work harder, Tiger mums will get the best out of their kids (but at a cost?). Parents can be a help but they can also be hindrance over homework. Some kids get used to leaning on them for help. As a kid, I did better when I was left alone and it was sink or swim. I sunk a lot at Latin.

100% true. In one school report for my son, the teacher wrote, 'it is clear DaveRangers Junior doesn't do his homework with a native French speaker, and this is not helping his performance with his French grammar.' I wanted to write back and explain that maybe the teacher's great-great-great Grandfather should have performed better with his musket at Waterloo, but my wife said that probably wouldn't help the situation.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

100% true. In one school report for my son, the teacher wrote, 'it is clear DaveRangers Junior doesn't do his homework with a native French speaker, and this is not helping his performance with his French grammar.' I wanted to write back and explain that maybe the teacher's great-great-great Grandfather should have performed better with his musket at Waterloo, but my wife said that probably wouldn't help the situation.

 

[bobmid]

I've just posed this question to my son, his girlfriend, my niece and my nephew - all from different education backgrounds - they all looked at me as if I was talking a foreign language, had never heard of this total bollocks.

I asked my two nieces and they didn't have a scooby as to what I was on about.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Another 12 years of Tory rule should sort out this wokeism/immigration issue/trans debate (please delete as applicable) that is being inflicted upon us by Labour/teachers/unions/the EU (please delete as applicable).

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

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****ing EU

 

[Staines R's]

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****ing EU

We won’t though….That’s why we have unions to fight for these things on our behalf

 

[Willhoops]

Hmmmm I’m a little surprised considering how important the safety of women and girls is to some on here, that Andrew Tate’s arrest hasn’t been mentioned as it was reported a lot on tv and other media. Wonder why that is.

 

[daverangers]

Hmmmm I’m a little surprised considering how important the safety of women and girls is to some on here, that Andrew Tate’s arrest hasn’t been mentioned as it was reported a lot on tv and other media. Wonder why that is.

Just looked it up as I hadn't seen it. Brilliant bit of police work to track him down...and good on Greta Thunberg for her contribution.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Hmmmm I’m a little surprised considering how important the safety of women and girls is to some on here, that Andrew Tate’s arrest hasn’t been mentioned as it was reported a lot on tv and other media. Wonder why that is.

Never heard of him before he was arrested.