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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
sb_73 said:
In July, Johnson spent several days denying that he was aware firstly of any past general allegations about the behaviour of Chris Pincher, then, as that became less tenable, denying any knowledge of specific instances of sexual harassment. He got several cabinet ministers and other members of the government to repeat this in media interviews.

Simon Macdonald, former Permanent Secretary at at the Foreign Office, said that Johnson had been told about specific instances of Christopher Pincher’s behaviour. He said this on Radio 4. Rather than take MacDonald to court, or accuse him of lying, Johnson then admitted that he had been briefed on this. And the Tory MPs sacked him as a result. The ones who were conned into lying on his behalf were especially pissed off.

Doubtless a forgivable slip of the memory for his fanboys, but a ****ing great big lie to the rest of us. Though I am aware that you like a strictly legal definition of things in these matters, and would probably like a court judgement before reluctantly conceding that Johnson is a liar. This is just one example of course. He’s a pathological liar, he lies when he doesn’t have to. He even lied about his height.
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Johnson admitted he had been briefed orally on Pincher's early misdemeanours, and should have acted at the time. It was his ill discipline on this and a number of other matters that cost him his job. No lie has been proven against him on any matter while he was PM so far as I'm aware. I admit he's difficult to pin down because his inattention to detail and proclivity to exaggerate makes it difficult to prove intent to deceive.
 
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sb_73 said:
I thought the Tory MPs kicked him out because he lied to his own team, his cabinet and his MPs about what he knew about sex pest Tory whip Christopher Pincher. In fact he got multiple cabinet members to lie on his behalf until he ‘remembered’ just as it became clear that there was documentary evidence to prove that he had been told about specific instances of harassment in 2019. I think this was a ‘straw that broke the camel’s back’ moment.

I’m pretty sure though that, like Goldie and possibly you, large sections of the electorate will convince themselves that he never lied, his misdemeanours were minor and ‘just Boris being Boris’ and we would be better off with him back in charge. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I suspect that he is enjoying being paid lots of cash for speaking engagements and that his wife might not want him back in number 10.

Have to say that Mordaunt, batting on a nightmare wicket, is doing a decent job of defending the pretty indefensible. Bowling not of the highest quality mind. She has no ammunition (sorry for the mixed metaphor) at all but is at least staying calm and collected. Almost as if it’s a job interview…..
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Nice attack, based on precisely nothing I said.
I never mentioned his lying.
Of course he lied, repeatedly.
All politicians do.
He was a serial lier.

I merely mentioned all the outcry over party gate etc.
Virtue signalling at its finest and compared it to the state Truss has got us into.

Mordant is looking quite competent imo.
 
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rangercol said:
Nice attack, based on precisely nothing I said.
I never mentioned his lying.
Of course he lied, repeatedly.
All politicians do.
He was a serial lier.

I merely mentioned all the outcry over party gate etc.
Virtue signalling at its finest and compared it to the state Truss has got us into.

Mordant is looking quite competent imo.
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Ok.

In what way was my post ‘virtue signalling’? I’m not trying to demonstrate my good character at all, I’m a nasty, hypocritical bastard and happy to be one. Perhaps we have different understandings of what virtue signalling is. Or perhaps you weren’t referring to me.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
There isn't a human being on earth that hasn't lied at sometime during his or her whole life.
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The operative word there was throughout.

Are you OK, Goldie? I don't think there are many out there who would argue that Johnson is just misunderstood, rather than a persistent purveyor of porkies.
 
Stroller said:
Have we had three PMs in one parliament before?
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The only one I knew off the top of my head was Baldwin, Chamberlain and Churchill who all served as PM between the '35 and '45 General Elections. Obviously a longer Parliament.

Wiki also tells me:

"Between the general elections of 1761 and 1768: the Duke of Newcastle (resigned 26 May 1762), Lord Bute (resigned 8 April 1763), George Grenville (resigned 10 July 1765), Lord Rockingham (resigned 30 July 1766) and Lord Chatham (until dissolution of the parliament)."

'In the shorter interval between the general elections of 1780 and 1784: Lord North (resigned 27 March 1782), Lord Rockingham (second ministry, died in office 1 July 1782), Lord Shelburne (resigned 26 March 1783), the Duke of Portland (resigned 18 December 1783) and William Pitt the Younger (until dissolution of the parliament)."
 
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So are we now claiming Johnson hasn’t, lied? Purposely mislead? ****ing hell. Semantics, 10 Olympic golds for mental gymnastics for that one.

Whilst people make excuses for him and the likes we’ll continue to get more of the same at least their wealthy mates will continue to profit.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
More and more will do this unless the Old Bill are there to take the side of the vandals and prevent them from having to stop blocking the highway. Bizarre situation
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if this lot dont pay for the milk i hope they get charged with shoplifting
and send the ****ers a massive bill for the clean up too
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
Johnson admitted he had been briefed orally on Pincher's early misdemeanours, and should have acted at the time. It was his ill discipline on this and a number of other matters that cost him his job. No lie has been proven against him on any matter while he was PM so far as I'm aware. I admit he's difficult to pin down because his inattention to detail and proclivity to exaggerate makes it difficult to prove intent to deceive.
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Yes, he admitted that when he had no choice after he and his minions had denied it for days. That’s what I call lying.

What ‘proof’ would be enough for you? I honestly don’t understand why this is such an issue for you. The blokes a liar, he has been sacked in the past for lying, he lies for a hobby. Of course other politicians and other people are liars too, but he’s a world class fibber.
 
Stroller said:
The operative word there was throughout.

Are you OK, Goldie? I don't think there are many out there who would argue that Johnson is just misunderstood, rather than a persistent purveyor of porkies.
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He's an exaggerator to an extreme level. The point I'm making really is that he has not been found to have deliberately deceived Parliament .

My operative word there is deliberately
 
Another poor performance by Truss in front of the One Nation group of Tory MPs by all accounts.

I’m beginning to think Mordaunt repeated the line about Truss being under her desk on purpose, to fix the image in people’s minds.
 
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