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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
There isn't a leader in the world that's up to much now. The rewards of the private sector are far greater now than 30 years ago. When a newly qualified solicitor in the UK can earn twice as much as an MP, a banker or captain of industry can earn 20 or 40 times per annum than the prime minister, why would any bright and enterprising graduate opt for politics with the continual scrutiny of their private lives?

I'd be happy for MPs to be paid much more than they are currently, so long as they have no other jobs and are not paid in any way for lobbying on behalf of private interests. Don't think this would be popular with the general public, though.
 
Nice rant, but completely ignored the post I made to which you were replying.
I wasn't praising Truss, in fact I said I don't like her.
I just don't see any comparison with Thatcher.

Her carefully styled image is to appear as the new Thatcher .. down to photo ops. That’s what she’s selling herself as.
 
I'd be happy for MPs to be paid much more than they are currently, so long as they have no other jobs and are not paid in any way for lobbying on behalf of private interests. Don't think this would be popular with the general public, though.

Mostly I agree. One of the strengths of governments in the past, is that ministers had experience of some other occupation, mostly commerce and industry. Now, we are getting professional politicians coming green from college. If you don't allow them to have other interests, they'll continue to hold narrow views. However, you're right, the lobbying point is an issue and there needs to be continual scrutiny. You can say the same about donations, whether from unions or Russian businessmen.
 
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As always the preserve of the pundit to mount up the misery, which might all be accurate, and walk away feeling smug that he’s been paid and played to the prejudices of the appropriate audience (Mailplus) without offering any solutions, or even ideas of potential solutions. To help him out, essentially we need to beat Putin fast.

Glad you enjoyed it too.
 
Called my scrappy to see what I'd be getting for bright wire copper - dropped from £7.50 a kilo to £5.50 a kilo in the space of a few weeks - nitemare. Seems that copper prices are a fair indicator of a recession hitting, the last four times it's dropped by over 20% there's been worldwide problems.

Better sort itself out, I've got stuff to pay for out of all the stripped cable I've acquired....legally, I might add, kinda <laugh>

Copper Spirals to 19-Month Low as Recession Fears Dominate
  • Copper has fallen far below $8,000 a ton as metals extend rout
  • Bloomberg economists flag surging 38% chance of US recession

Copper fell to its lowest price in 19 months, with metals extending losses as global recession fears continue to damp the demand outlook for commodities.

Sentiment remains sour for industrial materials used in everything from construction to new energy vehicles. Copper, widely considered an economic bellwether, is trading well below $8,000 a ton after metals posted their worst quarterly slump since the 2008 financial crisis

Copper fell as much as 5.1% to $7,597 a ton on the London Metal Exchange, its lowest since early December 2020. It settled at $7,670 a ton at 7:30 p.m. local time. Other metals followed suit, with aluminum dropping 2.9% and tin falling 2.3%. Nickel, the only metal on the exchange to see green today, rose 0.7%.

Precious metals continued the trend in the red, with gold down 2.2% in the face of a stronger dollar. Silver sank 3.7% while platinum dropped 2.5%.
 
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I still see no comparison with Thatcher.

Either Ms Truss or those around her seem to be trying to invite the comparison, which is pretty ballsy given her how she comes across.

I might post up one of my keepy-uppy videos* and claim to be the new Messi later.

(*I can do about nine)
 
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Curiouser and curiouser.

The election of our next Prime Minister was already a democratic farce, but it now turns out that the chosen decrepit few who hold the future of our Nation in their hands will be able to vote twice if they feel like changing their minds. Even more bizarre is the fact that Tory party members who are not UK citizens can vote to elect our next PM, even though they wouldn't be allowed to vote in an actual General Election.

What a ****ing joke.
 
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Curiouser and curiouser.

The election of our next Prime Minister was already a democratic farce, but it now turns out that the chosen decrepit few who hold the future of our Nation in their hands will be able to vote twice if they feel like changing their minds. Even more bizarre is the fact that Tory party members who are not UK citizens can vote to elect our next PM, even though they wouldn't be allowed to vote in an actual General Election.

What a ****ing joke.

You’re going to give yourself a stroke at this rate, Strolls.
 
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Chaotic scenes down in Dover, with arguments over whose fault it is.

The roads and border infrastructure around the port are insufficient to cope with the volumes of traffic that build up due to the extra checks necessary after Brexit.

..........so obviously it's the French to blame.
 
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https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/labour-party-leadership-contests

…in a pretty similar way, but it’s only a ****ing joke and a democratic farce if the Tories do it. I think I might join both parties so that true democracy is observed.
Not really, you can’t just get rid of a leader, someone has to challenge, and more than two candidates can be involved in the final, preferential vote, ballot.

It’s up to the parties how they choose their leader. What rankles (as it would if it was another party in power) is that the party is in effect choosing the Prime Minister. Given that the role of PM is increasingly ‘presidential’ and the role of party leader hugely determines the policy platform and style of the party - I don’t think it can be denied that Johnson’s popularity combined with Corbyn’s unpopularity rather than abstract Tory v Labour debate gave the Tories their current huge majority - the old ‘you voted for your local MP, not the party leader’ line might be technically true but doesn’t really hold water. With the nature of modern political leadership a change of PM should probably require a general election (in which I won’t vote, like you I think) because the existing majority was Johnson’s majority (as he has pointed out) and based on a policy platform (don’t blink you’ll miss it) which the two current candidates want to replace with what they call their own ‘radical’ agendas, which no one but party members have had a chance to vote on.

I seem to remember that this was always the dream of the old hard left and their infiltration of Labour - some unwitting Trojan horse leader gets made PM and is then kicked out by radicals with a completely different programme.