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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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  2. Get out

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  1. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    I really don’t get all this…..Biden is still making it absolutely certain that he believes an attack on Ukraine is imminent.
    Surely they must know something that we all don’t ? if nothing happens then doesn’t it leave the US looking like absolute fools ?

    I don’t include Johnson in this as he looks an absolute fool anyway

    Am I looking at this far too simplistic ?
     
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  3. Staines R's

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    The Left wingers knew what they were voting for
     
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  4. Stroller

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    ERG aren't left wing Stainesy.
     
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    If it doesn’t happen then he claims that the strong stand taken by him and his allies deterred Putin. If it does happen he says ‘I told you so’. Why would either make him look a fool?

    It doesn’t matter whether Biden looks a fool, we know that, however dodgy he might be, he won’t lash out blindly. Putin might if he feels he looks foolish to his own people.

    The man who is playing a blinder, from where I sit, is Zelensky, the non professional politician. Trying to keep everything calm, saying don’t panic, yet very clearly stating that what is going on shows exactly why Ukraine needs to join NATO.

    This is a long and complicated game of bluff and double bluff.
     
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    Indeed mate. However my point still stands.
    Most, if not all, genuinely Left Wing parties agreed with Brexit.
    Of course the Labour Party didn’t.
     
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  7. Staines R's

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    But then if it doesn’t happen can’t Putin say “we told you all along it was an exercise” and look the better person ?

    You’re totally right….it’s a real long, drawn out game of bluff.

    Thanks for your thoughts on the whole thing
     
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    Being a fool is a major characterisic of being a leader of a country nowadays.
     
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    Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts
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    Watch: Justin Trudeau explains why he's taking extreme measures to stop protesters.
    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has taken the unprecedented step of invoking the Emergencies Act to crack down on anti-vaccine mandate protests.

    Mr Trudeau said the scope of the measures would be "time-limited", "reasonable and proportionate" and would not see the military deployed.

    With no need for court orders, banks can freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests.

    Hundreds of demonstrators remain in Canada's capital city.

    On Sunday, law enforcement cleared anti-mandate protesters at the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor - a critical pathway for Canada-US trade - after a week-long stalemate.

    What began as a rally against a new rule that all truckers must be vaccinated to cross the US-Canada border, or quarantine upon return, has grown into a broader challenge to all Covid health restrictions.


    "This is about keeping Canadians safe, protecting people's jobs," Mr Trudeau told a news conference on Monday.

    He said the police would be given "more tools" to imprison or fine protesters and protect critical infrastructure.

    Mr Trudeau told reporters the legislation would be applied temporarily and in a highly specific manner.




    Critics have noted that the prime minister voiced support for farmers in India who blocked major highways to New Delhi for a year in 2021, saying at the time: "Canada will always be there to defend the right of peaceful protest."

    Mr Trudeau's invoking of the Emergencies Act comes as demonstrations across Canada enter their third week.

    Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland said at Monday's news conference that banks would be able freeze personal accounts of anyone linked with the protests without any need for a court order.


    Vehicle insurance of anyone involved with the demonstrations can also be suspended, she added.

    Ms Freeland said they were broadening Canada's "Terrorist Financing" rules to cover cryptocurrencies and crowdfunding platforms, as part of the effort.

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    Anti-vaccine mandate protests have entered their third week
    "It's all about following the money," she said.

    She spoke after hackers released details of what they said were 93,000 donations for the truckers totalling $8.4m (£6.2m) to the crowdfunding platform GiveSendGo.

    The Emergencies Act, passed in 1988, requires a high legal bar to be invoked. It may only be used in an "urgent and critical situation" that "seriously endangers the lives, health or safety of Canadians". Lawful protests do not qualify.

    Speaking on Monday, Canada's Justice Minister David Lametti argued these conditions had been met.


    But the Canadian Civil Liberties Association disagreed, warning that the move "threatens our democracy and our civil liberties".

    Ottawa protest leader Tamara Lich dismissed Mr Trudeau's move, telling AP News: "There are no threats that will frighten us. We will hold the line."

    Ontario Premier Doug Ford, a Conservative, said he supported the federal government.

    But the premiers of Quebec, Manitoba, Alberta and Saskatchewan said the emergency powers were not needed in their regions.

    Before Mr Trudeau's announcement, Quebec Premier Francois Legault said invoking the Emergencies Act could "throw oil on the fire".

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    Will Trudeau succeed?
    Analysis by Jessica Murphy, BBC News, Toronto

    Under growing pressure to bring the disruptive protests to an end - be it from the White House or increasingly frustrated Canadians - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has entered uncharted territory with the decision to invoke the never-before-used 1988 Emergencies Act, the country's most powerful tool for when it is facing a national emergency.

    The powers announced by Mr Trudeau go into effect immediately - but his government has to present it to the House of Commons and the Senate within a week and needs a green-light or the proclamation would be revoked.

    All main Canadian federal political party leaders have said it's time for the protests - which have had an impact on supply chains, the national economy and the country's relations with the US - to end.

    But they aren't all necessarily on board with Mr Trudeau's unprecedented move.

    Conservative leader Candice Bergen voiced concern it could inflame the situation.

    The support of NDP leader Jagmeet Singh may give Mr Trudeau enough votes to pass it through the House - though the Senate could still be a hurdle.

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    Protests are ongoing in various parts of the country.

    In Ottawa, the nation's capital, between 400 to 500 trucks have been parked in the city centre for 18 days.

    Protesters have also been blockading border crossing at Coutts, Alberta, and Emerson, Manitoba.

    On Monday, Alberta police arrested 11 people and seized a cache of guns and other weapons.

    Weekend protests have also taken place in cities including Toronto and Winnipeg.
     
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  10. Stroller

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    Meh.

    I've never been a member of any party, mate and have voted for several different parties over the years. I'm not tied to the Labour party in any way.

    TBH, I'm a bit tired of your 'I'm more leftie than you' stuff, Stainesy. I'm comfortable with my position.

    Let's agree to differ.
     
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  11. Staines R's

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    I’m just pointing out facts Strolls……if you don’t like them they no worries mate, it’s just my musings from someone who is probably still hoping for the impossible.
    My opinions of you haven’t changed. Though we might disagree on a few things, and I might sometimes become a bit childish (to say the least), I do genuinely respect your views and though obviously come from the heart.

    As you say, we’ll have to agree to differ….but I’m still gonna give my opinions when the “B Word” comes up for the umpteenth time
     
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    broth
     
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  13. Staines R's

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    Vegetarian all the way
     
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    Yes you do mate. I would rather listen to you than half the rubbish posted. Although I have always said you post decent stuff on the footy threads.
     
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  15. Staines R's

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    Definite narcissistic traits there
     
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  16. Staines R's

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    The most common traits of the disorder are people with grandiose ideas about themselves that simultaneously:

    • mask their low self-esteem
    • present an elevated/inflated version of themselves
    • are self-centered
    • believe they are better than others and treat others with contempt (without respect)
    • lack empathy
    • crave attention and admiration

    • I rest my case
     
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    I am a little late responding to the posts about the protests in Ottawa and several other cities here including my own home town.I have to be careful what I say because that whole situation just INFURIATES me -this is not abut freedom as they claim because it is all so selfish and I really wish that they would stop waving our flag because they don't give a **** about Canada - strictly themselves.

    Using their children as human shields. Leaning on the horn day and nights and then they have h nerve to tell the local residents that they sympathize with them but collateral damage yada yada.

    I want to save my emoting for Hull and Blackpool so I will leave it there
     
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  18. ELLERS

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    At least if you are going to post something to sound intelligent try not to use Wikipedia.
     
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  19. Staines R's

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    It wasn’t……you truly are a narcissist. You need professional help mate
     
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    Good stuff. I just wont take advice from you. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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