Off Topic The Politics Thread

[rangercol]

Do you think he believes anything he says?

This is the main issue for me.
He's lied so often that no one knows if he's lying or telling the truth when he speaks.
Yeah, yeah I know, his lips are moving so he must be lying.
But I actually think he's pushed it too far and will not be able to recover people's trust.

 

[Hammersmith reborn]

Sort of agree but people need to know what we are going to replace the Tories with (if you want to get rid of them)? If the opposition is hopeless then people won’t vote for them.

Putting Boris aside for a minute… when you look at what Labour has said and flip flopped since Boris has been PM, it isn’t very reassuring?

When Starmer gets up and talks about ‘integrity’ I laugh because he was the one who wanted to take away my vote with a second referendum, my only voice I have in politics is my vote, and he wanted to take that away from me …and 17m others. Why would I trust or want to vote for him? The answer is I won’t and people will be reminded of that at the next GE… if he lasts.

As for Boris, it’s the most humbled I have ever seen him. He apologised and if he gets on with running the country without all the fuss then people will move on.
I get all the anti Tory lot who want him gone but for the rest of us, time will tell?

I agree with some of that Ellers, but I think your underestimating the depth of feeling most people have about this latest episode. Here in the heart of London all the people I've talked to over the past few days about this matter have said that they'd never vote for Boris again and would almost certainly vote for anyone but the Tories next time round. They said it has literally made them sick to their stomach what not only he but others in the party have done during the pandemic. When you make rules that mean people can't see their loved ones when their dying, and then you go and have drinks in your garden mocking the situation , you've got to be exceptionally thick or crass not to know that your days are numbered !

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

This is the main issue for me.
He's lied so often that no one knows if he's lying or telling the truth when he speaks.
Yeah, yeah I know, his lips are moving so he must be lying.
But I actually think he's pushed it too far and will not be able to recover people's trust.

I agree with you. If I was a Tory MP, I'd wait for the Gray Report but I'd be thinking, it may be better to cut this raft loose, its done is job. Bring in a steadying figure like Rishi Sunak. I can't see how Boris Johnson can find his way back from here

unless Argentina invades the Falklands...

or Russian invades the Ukraine...

 

[ELLERS]

I agree with some of that Ellers, but I think your underestimating the depth of feeling most people have about this latest episode. Here in the heart of London all the people I've talked to over the past few days about this matter have said that they'd never vote for Boris again and would almost certainly vote for anyone but the Tories next time round. They said it has literally made them sick to their stomach what not only he but others in the party have done during the pandemic. When you make rules that mean people can't see their loved ones when their dying, and then you go and have drinks in your garden mocking the situation , you've got to be exceptionally thick or crass not to know that your days are numbered !

I know how people feel. My wife lost her Uncle and I lost 2 work colleagues. I do not for one minute think Boris’s actions were good. I said he was stupid and naive. If people think he should be hung drawn and quartered then that is for them. I don’t paint all Tories with the same brush… some do. I’m not interested in those people or their rhetoric. Boris future won’t be decided by them or Starmer but by Tory MPs and Tory members.
As I said time and local elections will tell.

 

[Hammersmith reborn]

I agree with you. If I was a Tory MP, I'd wait for the Gray Report but I'd be thinking, it may be better to cut this raft loose, its done is job. Bring in a steadying figure like Rishi Sunak. I can't see how Boris Johnson can find his way back from here

unless Argentina invades the Falklands...

or Russian invades the Ukraine...

I did like like that last bit lol

 

[Stroller]

I agree with you. If I was a Tory MP, I'd wait for the Gray Report but I'd be thinking, it may be better to cut this raft loose, its done is job. Bring in a steadying figure like Rishi Sunak. I can't see how Boris Johnson can find his way back from here

unless Argentina invades the Falklands...

or Russian invades the Ukraine...

I see Sunak was giving Johnson his full support today.....from Ilfracombe.

Do you reckon he complained about the noise when all the parties were going on next door?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I see Sunak was giving Johnson his full support today.....from Ilfracombe.

Do you reckon he complained about the noise when all the parties were going on next door?

He may not have been in. I don't think, absent anything in Gray's report, that the mud will stick to any of the leadership contenders

 

[ELLERS]

He may not have been in. I don't think, absent anything in Gray's report, that the mud will stick to any of the leadership contenders

Typical rubbish from Stroller. He will be posting fake memes soon.
Sunak had a pre arranged meeting and went to it. Not all MPs need to be in the House to make a noise about Party gate. Some are getting on with the job.

 

[qprbeth]

Wait until the Gray report PM Hindsight said today.

My Hubbie said. Boris will pay her a bung to declare it naughty but legal. And get off on technicality

I said. I think there will be a bigger bung from the 1922 committee to make sure he goes

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Typical rubbish from Stroller. He will be posting fake memes soon.
Sunak had a pre arranged meeting and went to it. Not all MPs need to be in the House to make a noise about Party gate. Some are getting on with the job.

Some are saying Starmer missed a trick by not asking whether the Reynolds email was authorised by Boris

 

[Stroller]

Typical rubbish from Stroller. He will be posting fake memes soon.

How are you getting on with that shaky-cam-though-the-window video of some bloke that looks a little bit like Starmer?

 

[ELLERS]

Some are saying Starmer missed a trick by not asking whether the Reynolds email was authorised by Boris

Starmer always misses stuff because he is a boring lawyer and not PM material.
I think even Labour voters think that as well.
Can you imagine if that had been Cameron attacking the PM? Starmer opened and closed well ( pun intended) but was flat in the middle. I can’t believe some think he did well? Delussional.

 

[ELLERS]

How are you getting on with that shaky-cam-though-the-window video of some bloke that looks a little bit like Starmer?

Apparently it was from The Sun. There were more important things going on so it has gone quiet…I’m sure it will return. TBH The Sun are clever and anything they have on Labour will come out at the right time. talking of ‘Shaky’ I thought Starmer could have performed better today?

 

[Stroller]

Apparently it was from The Sun. There were more important things going on so it has gone quiet…I’m sure it will return. TBH The Sun are clever and anything they have on Labour will come out at the right time. talking of ‘Shaky’ I thought Starmer could have performed better today?

The most craven, despicable, shameful PMQs performance by a Prime Minister in living memory and you criticise Starmer? Here's what Tory peer Lord Finkelstein thought....

Here is what happened: Sir Keir Starmer asked all the right questions and Boris Johnson gave the only possible answers. The questions were devastating and the answers were ridiculous.

There were only three possible responses the prime minister could give today. First there was “I did attend the party, and I’m sorry”. But this would have meant admitting he lied to the Commons when he said he didn’t know about parties and was furious to hear about them. So this answer was out.

The second was “I’m not saying whether I was there, we must wait for Sue Gray”. This refusal to say if he knew he was in his own garden was simply unsustainable. Tory MPs, and everyone else, would have found it unacceptable.

So he was left with “I was there, I thought it was a work event, let’s wait for Sue Gray to rule on its nature”. While the only possible line of argument, it is plainly absurd. At a political level it is laughable (nobody will believe it) and at a technical level it is vulnerable (evidence may emerge that shows he knew exactly what it was, or Gray’s report will show clearly that he should have).

There wasn’t a good answer, but he picked the least bad of the bad options. His tone was perfectly all right, if tone was the issue. But tone is not the issue.

His only hope was that somehow Starmer would blow it. He did not blow it.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Starmer always misses stuff because he is a boring lawyer and not PM material.
I think even Labour voters think that as well.
Can you imagine if that had been Cameron attacking the PM? Starmer opened and closed well ( pun intended) but was flat in the middle. I can’t believe some think he did well? Delussional.

 

[ELLERS]

The most craven, despicable, shameful PMQs performance by a Prime Minister in living memory and you criticise Starmer? Here's what Tory peer Lord Finkelstein thought....

Here is what happened: Sir Keir Starmer asked all the right questions and Boris Johnson gave the only possible answers. The questions were devastating and the answers were ridiculous.

There were only three possible responses the prime minister could give today. First there was “I did attend the party, and I’m sorry”. But this would have meant admitting he lied to the Commons when he said he didn’t know about parties and was furious to hear about them. So this answer was out.

The second was “I’m not saying whether I was there, we must wait for Sue Gray”. This refusal to say if he knew he was in his own garden was simply unsustainable. Tory MPs, and everyone else, would have found it unacceptable.

So he was left with “I was there, I thought it was a work event, let’s wait for Sue Gray to rule on its nature”. While the only possible line of argument, it is plainly absurd. At a political level it is laughable (nobody will believe it) and at a technical level it is vulnerable (evidence may emerge that shows he knew exactly what it was, or Gray’s report will show clearly that he should have).

There wasn’t a good answer, but he picked the least bad of the bad options. His tone was perfectly all right, if tone was the issue. But tone is not the issue.

His only hope was that somehow Starmer would blow it. He did not blow it.

eer so the first bit was what you thought… that’s irrelevant and the second bit from a Tory Peer was that Boris did the best he could in the circumstances? He thought Starmer didn’t blow it. Now ask him what he thinks of Starmer as PM material and I know he will say he isn’t.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

The most craven, despicable, shameful PMQs performance by a Prime Minister in living memory and you criticise Starmer? Here's what Tory peer Lord Finkelstein thought....

Here is what happened: Sir Keir Starmer asked all the right questions and Boris Johnson gave the only possible answers. The questions were devastating and the answers were ridiculous.

There were only three possible responses the prime minister could give today. First there was “I did attend the party, and I’m sorry”. But this would have meant admitting he lied to the Commons when he said he didn’t know about parties and was furious to hear about them. So this answer was out.

The second was “I’m not saying whether I was there, we must wait for Sue Gray”. This refusal to say if he knew he was in his own garden was simply unsustainable. Tory MPs, and everyone else, would have found it unacceptable.

So he was left with “I was there, I thought it was a work event, let’s wait for Sue Gray to rule on its nature”. While the only possible line of argument, it is plainly absurd. At a political level it is laughable (nobody will believe it) and at a technical level it is vulnerable (evidence may emerge that shows he knew exactly what it was, or Gray’s report will show clearly that he should have).

There wasn’t a good answer, but he picked the least bad of the bad options. His tone was perfectly all right, if tone was the issue. But tone is not the issue.

His only hope was that somehow Starmer would blow it. He did not blow it.

To be fair, if Starmer had blown that, it would be the equivalent of a penalty taker tripping over a divot and landing flat on the ball before he'd kicked it!

 

[ELLERS]

To be fair, if Starmer had blown that, it would be the equivalent of a penalty taker tripping over a divot and landing flat on the ball before he'd kicked it!

Starmer has done that before to be fair.

 

[bobmid]

I love how people turn this onto someone else, ie Starmer. Give your heads a shake ffs. Dont you care what this country is becoming? How do we look globally? Pathetic

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I love how people turn this onto someone else, ie Starmer. Give your heads a shake ffs. Dont you care what this country is becoming? How do we look globally? Pathetic

All I'm saying is that Starmer can hardly be congratulated for doing an amazing forensic job - Boris provided him with an open goal