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Brexit: UK signs free trade deal with Australia
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The deal will reduce extra costs and taxes on exports and imports between the two countries
The UK has signed a free trade deal with Australia which it says will benefit consumers and businesses.

It is described as the first post-Brexit deal negotiated from scratch and not "rolled over" from trade terms that the UK enjoyed while in the EU.

The government estimated it would unlock £10.4bn of additional trade while ending tariffs on all UK exports.

However, some UK farmers have expressed concern that they could be undercut by cheap imports.

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The government said the deal was also a gateway into the fast-growing Indo-Pacific region and would boost the UK's bid to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership, one of the largest free trade areas in the world.

The agreement, which was signed in a virtual ceremony by International Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan, is due to come into force next year.

Ms Trevelyan described it as "a landmark moment in the historic and vital relationship between our two Commonwealth nations".

It demonstrated what the UK could achieve as "an agile, independent sovereign trading nation", she added.

In a BBC interview, she rejected suggestions the deal would harm UK farmers.

She said the deal had "very clear safeguards" and "clear tariff quotas in the first 10 years", as well as "an overarching safeguard mechanism".

"The reality is that Australia sends about 70% of its beef and sheep meat to the Asia-Pacific markets," she said.

"They're closer for them and they get great prices. So I'm not expecting there to be any dramatic surge into UK markets and I know that our citizens will continue to buy what they want, but I'm very pleased to do things that will open up consumer choice."


A free trade deal aims to encourage trade - usually in goods but occasionally in services - by making it cheaper. This is often achieved by reducing or eliminating tariffs - taxes or charges by governments for trading goods across borders.

Trade agreements also aim to remove quotas - which are limits on the amount of goods which can be traded.

Trade can also be made simpler if countries have the same rules, such as the colour of wires in plugs. The closer the rules are, the less likely that goods need to be checked.

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Ms Trevelyan says this agreement is a blueprint for all the other countries that want to do trade deals with the UK, so they can - in her words - "see just how expansive we want to be".

It has been welcomed by British companies that want to do more business in Australia, especially in services. Trade between the two countries will increase.

But trade deals always work both ways.


The UK has given Australia pretty much everything it wanted in terms of access to the UK agricultural market. Other larger economies will take note of that and want similar access in the future.

The government insists that the concerns of British farmers have been taken into account, with transitional arrangements lasting for up to 15 years.

The government also points to a series of environmental provisions in the deal, which makes reference to the Paris agreement on climate change. An explicit reference to the goal of limiting global temperature rise to 1.5C, though, has been dropped. Climate NGOs will not be impressed by that.

It highlights the fact that trade deals involve compromise, but this agreement also needs to be seen in the perspective of the wider trade challenges the UK faces.

The Department for International Trade's internal assessment is that the deal with Australia could increase the size of the UK economy by £2.3bn a year from 2035. But that's only 0.08% of GDP.

In comparison, the independent Office for Budget Responsibility estimates that the long term loss from leaving the European Union could be about 4% of GDP.

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Shadow international trade secretary Nick Thomas-Symonds said Labour supported such a deal, but would scrutinise it very carefully to make sure it delivered the promised benefits.

He added that the opposition would "hold the government to promises made to farming communities, its pledges on environmental protections and on food and drink standards".

Among the main points of the deal listed by the UK government are:

  • It gives UK firms guaranteed access to bid for an additional £10bn worth of Australian public sector contracts per year
  • It allows young people to work and travel in Australia for up to three years at a time, removing previous visa rules
  • It gives UK professionals including architects, scientists, researchers, lawyers and accountants access to Australian work visas without being subject to Australia's skilled occupation list.
In 2019-20, trade in goods and services between Australia and the UK was valued at £20.1bn, and both sides are hoping to expand this amount considerably.

Currently, trade in meat between the two countries is very small.

Approximately only 0.15% of all Australian beef exports go to the UK. Last year, 14% of sheep meat imports to the UK came from Australia.
 
Every time someone from the LGBTQ community commits a crime or do something negative people such as you as demonstrated on this thread will always mention their sexuality as part of it as though it’s a contributor yet it’s not when it’s committed by a heterosexual, how can sexuality or gender identity only be relevant to a certain demographic ? especially as heterosexual men commit a disproportionate amount of crime, especially violent and sexual crime, compared to the wider demographic.

If someone from the LGBTQ community does something amazing and mentions it they are ramming down people’s throats, despite every member of the LGBTQ community will have suffered because of how some will treat them, which heterosexuals and cis gendered people, including myself haven’t had to overcome for our sexuality or gender identity. Seems a touch unfair surely?

it doesn’t take a genius to work out what people are doing here, ****rags like the mail have been doing it about foreigners for decades.

Find a bogeyman to demonise blame so you don’t have to take a real reflection on those who are committing the most destructive, the vast majority and disproportionate at that, of societies ill’s.

We still live in a nation where a husband and wife can walk down the street hand in hand and nothing is said or done, however if that’s a homosexual couple, sooner or later, most likely sooner, they will suffer aggression either verbally or physically, most will have suffered both. I think @qprbeth would back me up on that. And it’s no surprise when as I’ve demonstrated for members of the LGBTQ community their sexuality and gender identity is constantly put out as a factor of negativity.

Some will call it woke, but if treating people equally and showing respect regardless of gender, ethnicity, sexuality or gender identity is woke I’m happy to be woke rather than wanting to **** on someone because they are a bit different to me.

What a steaming, virtue signalling pile of ****! No one is condemning or judging anyone for their sexuality but if a lesbian couple murder a child, it will be reported ss such. If they were Pilgrim Brethren, that would be too. You demonstrate all the divisive traits of Woke, including wanting to restrict free speech in media reporting. It would be incredibly damaging to society if we were all pressurised to cover up facts.
 
You think that this represents a permanent move by this constituency to Lib Dems?

Probably not. It’s Shropshire after all. It’s a pretty damning message for Johnson to lose an exceptionally safe, Brexity seat. If North Shropshire can fall and fall by such a margin then nowhere is safe.
 
Seventh biggest swing in history.

Probably the biggest swing in a by-election that only happened due to the Prime Minister’s incompetence.
 
Probably not. It’s Shropshire after all. It’s a pretty damning message for Johnson to lose an exceptionally safe, Brexity seat. If North Shropshire can fall and fall by such a margin then nowhere is safe.
Maybe, maybe not. I do think it's representative of the contempt that the country as a whole has for Johnson and his corrupt Brexit Party government, though.

There's no evidence it has anything to do with Brexit. There's strong evidence it has everything to do withe sleaze, by Patterson and Johnson initially supporting him, and hypocrisy over the Xmas parties. Red flags for the Tories, but by-elections can be fickle when predicting a GE result.
 
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There's no evidence it has anything to do with Brexit. There's strong evidence it has everything to do withe sleaze, by Patterson and Johnson initially supporting him, and hypocrisy over the Xmas parties. Red flags for the Tories, but by-elections can be fickle when predicting a GE result.

I didn’t say it does have anything to do with Brexit. I’m saying it’s a safe, posh, Brexity seat. The sort that it would be unthinkable for the Tories to lose under any circumstances and by 6000 votes.
 
There's no evidence it has anything to do with Brexit. There's strong evidence it has everything to do withe sleaze, by Patterson and Johnson initially supporting him, and hypocrisy over the Xmas parties. Red flags for the Tories, but by-elections can be fickle when predicting a GE result.

I didn't say the result was about Brexit, I said it was a Brexit Party government. Johnson kicked a number of decent, capable people out of the government for voting against Brexit and replaced them with corrupt, useless sycophants. The result was about Johnson himself primarily.
 
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There's no evidence it has anything to do with Brexit. There's strong evidence it has everything to do withe sleaze, by Patterson and Johnson initially supporting him, and hypocrisy over the Xmas parties. Red flags for the Tories, but by-elections can be fickle when predicting a GE result.
They have lost this seat due to Boris Johnson and his incompetent leadership, sleaze, cover ups, corruption and lies. I agree, its nothing to do with brexit. As i said before, anyone with values and morals would want this man gone!