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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
rangercol said:
I wouldn't have any problem at all if Boris were forced out of office.
I've never been a fan (brexit aside).
The problem for me is that there is no viable opposition at the moment, which explains why Boris just gets away with everything.
I'm not convinced another Tory from this current bunch would be much better, but an upgrade wouldn't be that hard.
Another problem is that if he's forced out and gets replaced by someone who doesn't get the same support from the public, we could end up with a hung parliament at the next election.
I'm not a fan of those.
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I was never a Boris fan either because of his broad brush approach to things and occasional idleness to master the detail. The faux pas relating to Zagary Radcliffe was a classic.

But I'll give him credit for three things - delivery Brexit after the embarrassment of the last Parliament, delivering the Covid vaccine to the NHS and putting us on the cusp of what most economists believe will be one of the most successful economic recoveries in the Western World.

He is charismatic, and I don't want to see him go, but I do want him to have an overseer for his own good and the good of the country. The Tories have to fix that. And it has to be independent of a Boris veto.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
I was never a Boris fan either because of his broad brush approach to things and occasional idleness to master the detail. The faux pas relating to Zagary Radcliffe was a classic.

But I'll give him credit for three things - delivery Brexit after the embarrassment of the last Parliament, delivering the Covid vaccine to the NHS and putting us on the cusp of what most economists believe will be one of the most successful economic recoveries in the Western World.

He is charismatic, and I don't want to see him go, but I do want him to have an overseer for his own good and the good of the country. The Tories have to fix that. And it has to be independent of a Boris veto.
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Here's hoping those economists are correct. I have a vague memory of people taking them with a pinch of salt not so long ago.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
That's because over Brexit, the economists were telling us they could project 30 or 40 years ahead which was a nonsense. The current economic predictions are over the course of this year
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Agree its completely different to the project fear ones. We are heading for a massive boost. This data is correct as we can tell due to orders and bookings.
I like Boris and he is very popular throughout the country. Labour supporters must be cringing with Captain Hindsight at the helm. He is a dud and will lose them votes.
I made a mistake yesterday... the tories actually have a 11 point lead not 10. At Christmas Labour were 4 points in front. This is not just down to how well Boris is doing but how crap Labour is?
 
ELLERS said:
Agree its completely different to the project fear ones. We are heading for a massive boost. This data is correct as we can tell due to orders and bookings.
I like Boris and he is very popular throughout the country. Labour supporters must be cringing with Captain Hindsight at the helm. He is a dud and will lose them votes.
I made a mistake yesterday... the tories actually have a 11 point lead not 10. At Christmas Labour were 4 points in front. This is not just down to how well Boris is doing but how crap Labour is?
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Labour have a massive problem. Just seeing the Tories beating them in Scotland is amazing. Their best hope is if the Tories mess up. That's why the Tory grandees need more checks and balances on Boris, because as much as he is a huge asset to them, he could also shoot them all in the feet.

Starmer's problem is apart from him being a dull, uninspiring lawyer-type that makes John Major look interesting, he's a Remainer, he would almost certainly have joined the EU's vaccine programme and there's a big Rejoin faction in Labour.
 
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ELLERS said:
Agree its completely different to the project fear ones. We are heading for a massive boost. This data is correct as we can tell due to orders and bookings.
I like Boris and he is very popular throughout the country. Labour supporters must be cringing with Captain Hindsight at the helm. He is a dud and will lose them votes.
I made a mistake yesterday... the tories actually have a 11 point lead not 10. At Christmas Labour were 4 points in front. This is not just down to how well Boris is doing but how crap Labour is?
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Field Work Pollster / Client Sample Size CON LAB LD GRN Lead

30 Apr 2021 Focaldata / The Times 1,555 40 39 6 3 1

29 Apr 2021 Survation / Daily Mail 1,077 39 38 9 6 1
 
Stroller said:
Field Work Pollster / Client Sample Size CON LAB LD GRN Lead

30 Apr 2021 Focaldata / The Times 1,555 40 39 6 3 1

29 Apr 2021 Survation / Daily Mail 1,077 39 38 9 6 1
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You never know the next election could be a hung parliament? :emoticon-0100-smile
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
Labour have a massive problem. Just seeing the Tories beating them in Scotland is amazing. Their best hope is if the Tories mess up. That's why the Tory grandees need more checks and balances on Boris, because as much as he is a huge asset to them, he could also shoot them all in the feet.

Starmer's problem is apart from him being a dull, uninspiring lawyer-type that makes John Major look interesting, he's a Remainer, he would almost certainly have joined the EU's vaccine programme and there's a big Rejoin faction in Labour.
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And he keeps chopping and changing like the weather. I actually believe Jezza would stand a better chance. :emoticon-0100-smile
 
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ELLERS said:
Agree its completely different to the project fear ones. We are heading for a massive boost. This data is correct as we can tell due to orders and bookings.
I like Boris and he is very popular throughout the country. Labour supporters must be cringing with Captain Hindsight at the helm. He is a dud and will lose them votes.
I made a mistake yesterday... the tories actually have a 11 point lead not 10. At Christmas Labour were 4 points in front. This is not just down to how well Boris is doing but how crap Labour is?
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That's where you and myself differ massively. I couldn't bring myself to like anyone who lies regularly with little moral values. Each to their own though.
 
bobmid said:
That's where you and myself differ massively. I couldn't bring myself to like anyone who lies regularly with little moral values. Each to their own though.
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mmm you need to do a bit of research into the Labour Party. Thats where you and myself differ.
 
bobmid said:
Just out of interest regarding chopping and changing. How many u-turns has Johnson made during his reign as PM.?
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Boris has chopped and change because he was forced to. The difference being that Captain Hindsight does it for political point scoring.
Anyway TBH Labour has a dud leader whereas Boris is a winner.
 
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ELLERS said:
Boris has chopped and change because he was forced to. The difference being that Captain Hindsight does it for political point scoring.
Anyway TBH Labour has a dud leader whereas Boris is a winer.
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I assume that should say “whiner”. His one redeeming feature is that for some mental reason he appeals to millions of forelock-tuggers but you can’t seriously other politicians of “political point scoring” while cheering for him. I’m embarrassed for you.
 
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ELLERS said:
mmm you need to do a bit of research into the Labour Party. Thats where you and myself differ.
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You must have missed my earlier post (although you did reply). I haven't got a political party home at the moment, so your point is slightly off beat mate.
 
West WindsR said:
I assume that should say “whiner”. His one redeeming feature is that for some mental reason he appeals to millions of forelock-tuggers but you can’t seriously other politicians of “political point scoring” while cheering for him. I’m embarrassed for you.
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Thanks for that Watford (winner).
You don't need to keep being embarressed for me. 4-5 lefties on here don't represent the majority. 80 seats because people rejected the Labour Party. Thats embarrassing 80 seats.<laugh>
 
ELLERS said:
Boris has chopped and change because he was forced to. The difference being that Captain Hindsight does it for political point scoring.
Anyway TBH Labour has a dud leader whereas Boris is a winner.
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Ah yes forced to! Does that make it better?
I'm surprised that anyone actually likes a man who is shagging some chic whilst his Mrs is being treated for cancer, or lies on a regular basis to serve his own purpose, makes racist, homophobic and sexist comments, gets sacked for lying, sets an example of corruption and greed. Top bloke. This my friends is why society is heading where it is. Not Johnson personally but the whole nature of politics.
 
bobmid said:
You must have missed my earlier post (although you did reply). I haven't got a political party home at the moment, so your point is slightly off beat mate.
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My advise to you is if you can find a politician that is 100% honest and will always do what he/she says then vote for them.
 
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