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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. finglasqpr

    finglasqpr Well-Known Member

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    Ahh thanks. My comments were certainly that. Do I come across as left wing? I like to think I am middle of the road, at times a bit left wing and at others, a bit right wing. Hopefully we can agree on our mutual football team?
     
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  2. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps a tad liberal at times then, nothing wrong with that, it's all a bit subjective. I try not to come over too Katie Hopkins. We can certainly agree on our football team, left wing, right wing and in the centre.
     
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  3. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Just read that 'NHS bosses' are now looking at this and similar local decisions.

    In the same (BBC) story a doctor described obesity as an illness. Really? It can certainly contribute to life threatening illnesses, but not all obese people are ill.
     
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  4. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    With a very few people I think it can be described as a psychological addiction - for the rest of us, obesity is resolved by will power, eating less and exercising more
     
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  5. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    Eat as much as you want
    Don't worry about willpower
    don't cut back

    2 bags of salad a day never hurt anyone
    Carrots a quote cheap
    Water from the tap can be quite tasty

    Overeating is not a psychological illness
    Eating chips and chocolate and drinking coke is a lifestyle choice

    How much does the NHS spend on stomach stapling etc
     
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  6. QPR999

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    I see that the Lord Protector Keith Vaz has resigned following male escort allegations. This is the scumbag that helped to kill a 90's probe into Lord Janner and child sex abuse claims. In 2009 he had an expenses claim of £174,000 in the MPs claim scandal. There's plenty more dirt on this bloke if you want to search for them and just goes to prove that you can't trust any of them.
     
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  7. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    Nothing like this surprises me any more. Sadly.

    Mother Theresa, friend of poverty but not of the poor made a saint. Old Mother May still unable to say what Brexit means other than Brexit. She wants the 'best possible' trade relationship with the US, but can't say what this is. The 'best possible' could be World Trade Organisation rules like everyone else, much like ads which promise you could lose 2 stone of fat if you use their products neglect to point out that 'up to' includes no fat loss at all.

    It's really quite simple. If, as Boris Johnson says, Brexit means no free movement of people, no compulsory payments to the EU and no EU courts having precedence over the UK, then it means we leave the single market. This is what I think Brexit means too, let's get on with it. Staying in the Single Market essentially means staying in the EU. I have this vision of the U.K. delegation turning up at the negotiating table expecting to talk about some kind of special deal for the UK, while their EU counterparts say 'sorry, you're leaving. We are here to discuss the mechanics of your withdrawal. We can talk about a trade treaty once you are gone. It takes about ten years usually'.
     
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  8. GoldhawkRoad

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    I should think the German car industry would love that...
     
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  9. GoldhawkRoad

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    I forgot his part in the Janner enquiry. That makes today's disclosure, that I was initially reasonably indifferent about, seem a whole lot more sinister. Fortunately, the press will be all over this story like a rash
     
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  10. TheBigDipper

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    Recent events are certainly making life interesting and encouraging more people to take an interest in how we're governed and who benefits from it.

    Mercedes and BMW, perhaps, can probably maintain their sales levels even if the prices go up in the UK after import duties are added, because of the perceived prestige value of their brands. Others won't.
     
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  11. sb_73

    sb_73 Well-Known Member

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    That's fine then, UK trade is led by German automotive industry. Forging our own identity, full steam ahead! Despite the recent scandals I am seeing more and more Volkswagens, BMWs, Audis and Mercs in the US, where they have no trade agreement and very cheap competition.

    You can't stay in the Single Market and have Brexit (or at least a meaningful Brexit) as far as I can see. Neither can I see why a Brexiter would want to.
     
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  12. GoldhawkRoad

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    I wonder. I've driven German cars since the 1980's, but if tariffs went on, I'd look at others. The Japanese cars, for example, have a better reliability reputation now, and of course, then there's the German emissions scandal. German industry generally will not want tariffs on their goods exported to the UK, a hugely important market.
     
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  13. GoldhawkRoad

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    The point is the EU negotiators will have the German car industry breathing down their necks. Not just automotive but the Bosch's, Neffs, Meile's, Siemens etc. My perception is they will turn out to be hugely influential.

    I agree that the EU are worried about cherry picking and creating a dangerous precedent. Since May has made ending freedom of movement a red line, the EU must either tell us the single market is not open to us so goodbye (the Juncker option, which German industry will hate) or they'll seek a contribution from us to buy into the single market (which is opposed by the more extreme Tory Eurosceptics). Your guess is as good as mine at the moment.
     
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  14. sb_73

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    All the brands you quote are high end brands mate, they don't have any real competition over here. I should know, my wife insists on Meile white goods, which already cost an arm and a leg. They are good though. And Bosch has gone downhill, lot of it is actually made in Spain. I think they all have opportunities to reduce the duties burden from the UK end anyway, simply by saying that they will set up/expand assembly plants, servicing etc here in a job creating bribe, which I would gladly accept.

    Is a car assembled or finished in the UK from parts made in the EU (though the UK supplies many parts to them) classed as an import?
     
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    Difficult for a fat person to exercise more if they are refused knee operations that would allow them to exercise more!
     
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  16. GoldhawkRoad

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    So for them, the option is to eat less. Bad knees won't affect that...
     
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  17. GoldhawkRoad

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    Your wife has excellent taste - Miele are brilliant, so may keep most of its market even with tariffs. But it will also lose some sales because Miele prices plus tarriffs = take out a second mortgage. Buyers may look to UK or US brands.

    In answer to your question, I guess it's the parts coming in from the EU that would attract import duties.
     
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  18. durbar2003

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    Not everyone who are overweight overeat, that is the notion that many uninformed people have, but is wrong.
     
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    Talking of politics did anyone catch Strictly Come Dancing last night?
     
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  20. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    That's true, there can be medical conditions for a few - but for the vast majority, if they cut their intake down and think about their diet, they will lose weight as night follows day
     
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