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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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  1. kiwiqpr

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    When everyone is not allowed into aldi without the correct vaccine paperwork can we also add all the other vaccines that should be taken too
    No measles jab no entry into primark
    Not vaccinated against tb banned from ladbokes
     
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    Only if we can link specific vaccines to specific businesses like this.
     
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    Just add all vaccines to the requirements for a leave your house passport
     
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    Yes it was. However, Boris is not responsible for 100K deaths. Agree they have made mistakes but tit was a disease that killed people. The sensible folk in society understand this. It's just a few anti - 'this and that' anarchists who come out with this utter crap. Next month they will be worrying about changing street names as it offends someone somewhere.
     
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    The problem is when you refuse to acknowledge the drivers of our huge death toll and economic decline beyond writing them off as simple mistakes anyone could have made.
     
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    Most of Europe is in a similar position. Our economy got hit bad but that maybe down to many factors. Mistakes were made and we need to learn going forward.
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    The government sorted out the vaccine roll out and we lead the way in Europe. Hopefully we can bring this thing to an end in the near future and get on with our lives.
     
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    Probably worth thinking about this before the next time you cry about random lefties airbrushing history.
     
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    Not airbrushing anything. Just understand that the World was hit by a disease and sadly people died. Every country the World claimed they could have done better but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
     
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    The government made mistakes early on and this must be investigated in an enquiry. However any claim that the government is responsible for all the deaths is brainless. There were a number of reasons not least we are one of the most obese societies in the world. Perhaps we'll all eat a bit less now and stay fitter
     
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    Totally agree. There are a few who keep saying the government is responsible for 100K deaths. Firstly that is bollox and secondly it's only coming from the same anti government voices.
    Meanwhile on planet reality there are many reasons why so many have died not to mention that I now know of 3 people who sadly died and all broke lockdown rules. Stupidly they thought meeting up with friends for a few drinks was allowed? One of which was a top fella and will be sadly missed.
     
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    Ahhh my good mate Ellers.

    Always “knows someone” to fit every occasion or tale
     
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    It's civil war in the SNP. If Salmond is telling the truth then the Kranky and Blackford would need to resign. I remember when Salmond was having his trial and mentioned on here that 'there was no smoke without fire due to 8 complaints'. I even went as far as saying 'mmm' after his acquittal, However I was wrong. It appears that people were coerced into saying these things. Not good and not acceptable.
     
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    Not sure that's right or that any of us know enough about it to comment. Salmond wouldn't be the first person to fail to distinguish between the different standard of proof between a criminal court and a civil one. He was given the benefit of the doubt by a jury of non-lawyers but that does not mean a sharp and experienced civil judge won't find that he is a liar through and through. Any way he thinks he walks on water for now. A bit like my Turkish waiter.

    As you have said many times before in a different context, (and, I grant you, correctly from time to time!) let's wait and see what the evidence shows.
     
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    I agree, it's silly to blame the government for all the deaths. They need to beld accountable for the lies and incompetence they showed around the care homes fiasco. They werent 'mistakes' as people choose to call them, nor was not closing borders after leaving them open the first time around. But yes, some were mistakes and some were just pure incompetence which I'm sure has helped increase the number of deaths.
     
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    ANDREW NEIL: Censorship, bullying, threats of jail... how Nicola Sturgeon's storm troops turned Scotland into a banana republic without the bananas
    By Andrew Neil For The Daily Mail

    Published: 09:30 AEDT, 25 February 2021 | Updated: 01:47 AEDT, 26 February 2021



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    These are dark, even dangerous days in Scotland. The stramash between the country's two most famous politicians, Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, has resulted in vital public documents being censored or banned, important information being suppressed, the media cajoled and cowed, the legal system brought into disrepute, the Scottish Parliament neutered and even bloggers being threatened with jail.

    The relentless twists and turns in the Salmond-Sturgeon saga make it hard to follow, not just in the rest of the UK, to which Scotland is increasingly another country, but even north of the border.

    So many have just switched off. But that is a mistake because what is happening in Scotland is a clear and present danger to democratic accountability, the impartial rule of law and a free Press – an integral part of these islands.


    So let us stand back from the mind-boggling detail and consider the enormity of what is happening.

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    At one stage the search function of the Scottish Government's Freedom of Information website stopped producing results for certain contentious documents.

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    The Scottish Government has refused to publish relevant legal advice to shed light on why it persisted in fighting the judicial review case, even when it knew it was heading for defeat. But the most egregious attempts to stop relevant evidence from being published happened this year. When Salmond made his submission public last month the Scottish media was wary of touching it, given all the legal threats flying around.

    The Spectator magazine, of which I am chairman, was not subject to any warnings and posted it online anyway. The Scottish Crown Office, the legal arm of the Sturgeon Government, wrote to complain and demanded we take out at least one paragraph. We complied and left the rest online.

    The Spectator then went to court in Edinburgh to establish that there was a legal basis for publication. The court agreed. The Crown Office did not object. The Scottish Parliament, after much faffing about (as is its way), decided it could publish the Salmond submission too, thereby paving the way for the former first minister to testify before it. So, all good. Democratic accountability restored.

    Not really. The SNP decided to ramp up the argument that publishing the Salmond submission could lead to identifying the women who complained about Salmond's behaviour, and whose anonymity was rightly guaranteed by the court.

    It was all nonsense. Anonymity was never at risk. But the Crown Office had used the same argument in the past and it was wheeled out again, oiled by those who had most to gain from it. A group of women who claimed to work for the Scottish Parliament posted identical 'spontaneous' tweets asserting, with no evidence (they hadn't even seen the submission), that publication would enable identification of the complainers. They turned out to work for the SNP, not Parliament, so it's not difficult to work out who was behind that cack-handed pile-on.

    The Crown Office dusted off its old arguments and joined the chorus for censorship. In a craven act of surrender, Parliament decided to pull its publication of a submission it had only just posted, then repost it with major redactions as dictated by the Crown Office, shredding what credibility the inquiry had left in the process.

    It is no coincidence that the censored bits go to the heart of Salmond's claims about Sturgeon's honesty before Parliament. To mislead it is a resigning matter under the ministerial code. What did she know and when did she know it? That was the crucial question in the Watergate hearings. The chances of the inquiry asking it are now slim.

    Salmond cannot now be questioned about these bits of his submission. Nor can Sturgeon when she appears. Nor can the inquiry take into account anything it has not published when coming to its conclusions. So, job done for the Sturgeon camp. The lengths to which they have gone to redact and censor would shame North Korea.

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    Two weeks after the Government's case crashed and burned – at huge taxpayer expense – Salmond was arrested and charged with a long list of sexual offences, of which the most serious was attempted rape

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    Democratic accountability and transparency in Scotland are choked in a Kafkaesque fog.

    The Crown Office, which is meant to be independent, has become the 'lickspittle arm' of the SNP Government, says Alistair Bonnington, former professor at Glasgow University's School of Law. It operates 'at the direct command of the cabal currently at the head of the Scottish Government'.

    The Crown Office is in crisis. In a recent case involving the famous Glasgow Rangers football team it was forced to admit to a 'malicious prosecution' – legalese for proceeding with a prosecution even though you've been advised that you don't have enough evidence to secure a conviction.

    It's already had to pay out over £20million in compensation and legal fees. The final bill could be close to £100million.

    Nobody has been sacked. Nobody has resigned. Perhaps becoming the legal shock troops of the Sturgeon Government in its dealings with the Salmond insurrection is a way to ensure survival.

    And to a compromised legal system we must also add a supine press (the Scottish Daily Mail being an honourable exception). The broadcasters are especially compliant, often little more than Sturgeon TV, while Scotland's once powerful big-city newspapers are shadows of their former selves.

    They no longer have the editorial resources to hold government to account or the funds to stand up to legal bullying. The Scotsman, for example, now barely sells 10,000 copies a day. The fact it took The Spectator to go to a Scottish court speaks volumes for the sad state of the Scottish media.

    If Scotland was Texas, the Justice Department in Washington DC would have sent in the Feds by now to investigate the various breaches of first amendment rights, which guarantee free speech and protect a robust Press.

    But Westminster stands by powerless as rights meant to be UK-wide – independent law officers, a parliament prepared to hold government to account, a press strong enough to speak truth to power – are trammelled by the power of a near one-party state.

    Scotland's destiny was surely never to resemble a banana republic – without the bananas.
     
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    Agree we don't have all the details but it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to deduce why minutes of meetings were not recorded or can't be found to smell something dodgy? I think the Andrew Neil article is the tip of the iceberg.
     
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    Can’t help but feel one or two could have been saved if the Prime Minister hadn’t boldly declared the pandemic a great opportunity to get a run on our neighbours and only worked part-time in between sorting his divorce out and holidays a year ago.
     
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    Agree mate many could have been saved through various means but sadly the huge majority died because they caught this 2222 disease. Personally I think the borders should have been closed at the start and the penalty for breaking the rules should have been grater? That 400 people wedding/1200 at a rave/200 in that club not to mention countless breaches of lockdown rules. I said many months ago It comes down to respect and common sense. Plenty of people have respected the guidelines and won't get it while many others have not.
     
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