Iain Dale is a decent fella and when you listen to his radio show he often says to callers that disagree with him 'well done you have taught me something there' or 'Maybe I was wrong'. However I have also listened to him on one show where he talked about the amount of abuse he gets for being gay. Many groups including Anti-this/that 'save the whatever' resort to homophobic remarks when he makes them look stupid. He always says how it amazes him how these so called caring for everything people resort to homophobia? He is spot on.
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He’s not impartial politically though
oh can you please show examples of anti this and save the whatever resort to homophobia so I know who you are on about.
Not a decade of it when the poorest in society are constantly being **** upon, no.
See now this is what I don’t get then......Is how someone like you, who seems to be against austerity, can be so in support of an organisation like the EU, who is Neo-liberal and has austerity at its core ? What it did to the people of Greece was appalling and many poor Greek people suffered badly through job losses and pension cuts.....it’s just plain morally wrong.
Sorry to ask you in particular but I’m bored and have been reading an interesting article, by Paul Embery (whose book is well worth a read) that asks such a question.
How can I do that when he said it on his show? Stop trying to worm out of the fact that you falsely accused Iain Dale of being convicted when all he received was a caution. By the way it was him that actually apologised when the protester was in the wrong.
Truth is Wills you tried to be smart and it has backfired on you. You need to come up with false claims to suit your argument at least I tell the truth and if I can't find the story again I am honest about it. Convicted/caution are two different things. Next
right he committed a crime otherwise he wouldn’t have accepted the caution, I used incorrect terminology I accept that. That part is done
Next something you said he has stated on his show, unless there are groups that can be named specifically, how are we supposed to know who he’s on about? Does he mean people that want to ban immigration? Ban the burka ? I can tell you where I see homophobic abuse come from and where I’ve been shown it from people in the lgbt community would you accept that or just state that it’s hearsay?
However that really wasn’t the point I was getting at, you often dismiss sources yet hold Dale as someone who is impartial despite his clear political leanings which I’ve highlighted on numerous occasions yet you always avoid that point.
Convicted/Caution.
Come back when you can tell the truth.
Right I have paint to watch dry.
No worries, that’s the thing with many people are pro EU is that we accept that there are a number of flaws one of which you’ve very well demonstrated however whilst a member the U.K. has influence to oppose and try and change things. I also see a number of positives being in the EU rather than out. I also have a much greater amount of trust in the European Parliament than I do our current lot, who are self serving corrupt bastards
That’s been done I’ve admitted my error you however just continue to dodge my point about you and impartiality. It’s clear for everyone on here to see.
impartial = someone who is that passionate about politics and who identifies that strongly with a party not only does he join the party he runs for them.
deflection incoming
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ocialists-support-neoliberal-undemocratic-eu/
That’s the article I was talking about Wills, and he puts the case far more eloquently than I ever could. Of course we are 4 years down the line since it was written and things might of changed with the EU outlook (I personally would say not), however I feel his arguments are still strong.
He also touches on your argument of ‘better to be an influence of change from the inside’.
I agree that our government are not to be trusted and are self serving, and some might say ‘corrupt’....however I can’t see how that would mean it’s a good idea to stay in another organisation that are quite honestly, just as bad.
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Er, I'm gay. You think I haven't experienced abuse? Jog on.
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Er, I'm gay. You think I haven't experienced abuse? Jog on.
I appreciate the fair challenge I guess I view the EU differently and whilst I can see faults I see the advantages too, I just feel that the impact of leaving is going to hit hard and is unnecessary. There’s already rumbles of workers rights being eroded which I thought would happen, however we will wait and see, although worth keeping an eye on as I expect if it happens it’ll be one small part at a time.
deflection predicted
Still doesn’t back up your comment this has anything to do with any group of whose agenda or what they want... well we don’t know
They are saying 2/3 of services will be sorted in a deal by March so there are no barriers (like before). Hopefully common sense will prevail.
I get your point but I would counter with this......Not all our hard earned workers rights began and ended with the EU. We had a strong trade union movement who for years fought for the rights we have as workers.....and now that we’ve left the EU it’s up to us, as workers, to engage again with the trade union movement and to unite against the Tories.
Now is where the real fight can begin.....Labour need to win back the working class, ditch identity politics and go back to its roots.
Hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later.
Agree I am doing a Watford and going off topic here... I can remember my point being that you shot him down and accused him of something and my argument was that he was a fair journo and has had to put up with a lot of abuse which he mentioned on one of his shows. I believe he also mentions something of it in his book. I don't know how we came from Farage and a knighthood to abuse of Ian Dale but whatever.