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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
It always seemed likely to me that Johnson would have to concede on LPF and that the EU would give him something on fishing in return. As you say, Johnson will portray this as a win, but it would really be a victory for the EU, I would say - fishing is a minor consideration. We could all heave a sigh of relief if it happens, but there may be problems for Johnson subsequently from within his own party.

It'll be interesting to see how Starmer reacts to whatever deal might be put before parliament. I think Labour should abstain.

If it was a big trade-off on LPF for fishing then I hope he votes for it even with the inevitable ridiculous reaction that would come from both sides, assuming Labour’s votes were needed to make the difference. If he abstains and the nonce wing of the Tory Party get their beloved No Deal as a result then he’ll inevitably cop the blame because that’s the country we live in.
 
It always seemed likely to me that Johnson would have to concede on LPF and that the EU would give him something on fishing in return. As you say, Johnson will portray this as a win, but it would really be a victory for the EU, I would say - fishing is a minor consideration. We could all heave a sigh of relief if it happens, but there may be problems for Johnson subsequently from within his own party.

It'll be interesting to see how Starmer reacts to whatever deal might be put before parliament. I think Labour should abstain.

How can they possibly abstain when they've been going around saying ANY deal is better than a bad deal? Suppose they abstain and the motion is defeated, and we go out with a no deal?
 
How can they possibly abstain when they've been going around saying ANY deal is better than a bad deal? Suppose they abstain and the motion is defeated, and we go out with a no deal?

Brexit belongs to the Tory party. Surely they have enough sensible MPs to pass whatever deal Johnson might come back with? If not abstention, Starmer should give Labour MPs a free vote and not have the party tainted by supporting what has been a Tory farce from beginning to end.
 
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Brexit belongs to the Tory party. Surely they have enough sensible MPs to pass whatever deal Johnson might come back with? If not abstention, Starmer should give Labour MPs a free vote and not have the party tainted by supporting what has been a Tory farce from beginning to end.

Starmer had adopted Brexit. He's apologised for his previous doubts and now hugs it like a drowning man to a liferaft. He needs red wall votes. If there's a deal, he'll want to be part of it, anything other than show Corbynite cynicism
 
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Starmer had adopted Brexit. He's apologised for his previous doubts and now hugs it like a drowning man to a liferaft. He needs red wall votes. If there's a deal, he'll want to be part of it, anything other than show Corbynite cynicism

Starmer doesn't suddenly believe that Brexit is a good thing - he knows it isn't. I haven't seen any apology, when is he supposed to have apologised and what for? Most of the Red Wall voters that put Johnson in already regret it. They'll return to Labour once Brexit is out of the way.
 
Starmer doesn't suddenly believe that Brexit is a good thing - he knows it isn't. I haven't seen any apology, when did he apologise and what for? Most of the Red Wall voters that put Johnson in already regret it. They'll return to Labour once Brexit is out of the way.

And Corbyn was an ardent Brexiteer before it became the necessary opinion to pretend to have to obtain a senior role in a government.
 
Starmer doesn't suddenly believe that Brexit is a good thing - he knows it isn't. I haven't seen any apology, when is he supposed to have apologised and what for? Most of the Red Wall voters that put Johnson in already regret it. They'll return to Labour once Brexit is out of the way.

You're right, its Corbyn supporters that are demanding the apology:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54896340

Red wall voters are more likely to move off to UKIP at the moment, but if Boris pulls off a good Brexit, I think they'll stay
 
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Scotland has the worst drug death rate in Europe.

Four times worse than England and Wales.

The fact that SNP has cut treatment funding by 50% since 2007 is no coincidence.


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And Inverclyde has the worst drug death rate in Scotland - not so middle class anymore, eh?

Why are you so bothered about what goes on up here Kiwi? I find out more stuff from your posts than the local news <laugh>
 
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In defence of Julie Burchill
Her book on cancel culture has been cancelled. You couldn’t make this up.



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Cancel culture doesn’t exist, they say. In which case maybe someone could explain why Julie Burchill’s book on cancel culture has just been cancelled.

Burchill, Fleet St legend and contributor to spiked, was writing a book called Welcome to the Woke Trials. It promised to be a typically insightful and acerbic dissection of the hysteria and intolerance of wokeness. But it is no more. The yellow-bellied folk at Hachette Books have pulled the plug after Burchill got into a Twitter spat with Ash Sarkar.

The Twitter beef, like all Twitter beefs, is barely worth recounting. Apparently some Corbynistas, always on the hunt for someone they can publicly denounce in the neo-Stalinist fashion, discovered that Rod Liddle wrote a piece for the Spectator eight years ago in which he said he could never have been a schoolteacher because he would probably have tried to shag some of the teenagers. A joke? Disgusting. He was duly denounced as a ***** by the humourless literalists who clog up what passes for ‘the left’ in 21st-century Britain.

Burchill waded in. She took to task one of Rod’s Twitch-hunters – the Queen of Cancellations, Ms Sarkar – and asked her about Muhammad’s very young wife Aisha. She suggested it was hypocritical of Sarkar to go mental over Liddle’s mick-take aside about screwing teens given she follows a religion whose prophet is thought to have had a fairly iffy marriage.

Cue woke derangement. This is racist, they cried. Isn’t everything? One can of course question the wisdom of bringing Islam into a discussion about Rod Liddle and teenagers. I’d go further and question the wisdom of even being on social media. Seriously, leave it to the finger-pointers and witch-dunkers of the hyper-woke bourgeois left. Life’s too short. Go to a pub before they close again.


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And yet the reaction to Burchill’s cutting tweets is unquestionably mad. First she was hounded off Twitter. Some genuine scumbags made fun of the fact that her son committed suicide (there’s nowt so vile as the ‘kinder, gentler politics’ crew). And then Hachette ditched the book. All over a couple of tweets that mainly just took the piss out of Islam. This is nuts.

If anyone ever again tries to say cancel culture doesn’t exist, remind them of this: a book on cancel culture was cancelled because the author made fun of Islam. This orgy of censorious fury ironically proves the point of Burchill’s book – that the unwoke are being tried and found guilty and cast out of polite society. That it can happen to one of Britain’s best and best-known journalists, at the hands of a mob of middle-class mummy’s boys and girls whose achievements wouldn’t cover a Rizla sheet, is just depressing.

I have no doubt Burchill’s book will find a publisher. Indeed, she told me in an email today that she very much plans that it will. But that shouldn’t distract us from the ominous nature of the cult of cancellation and the way it seeks to destroy anyone who dares to question woke orthodoxies or take the piss out of a certain religion. Woke trials, indeed.