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Maybe we can find one from the lot you voted for like Chukka or that stupid Scottish woman who I can’t even remember the name of.
Maybe you should try and run for PM?

This is genius.

Unfortunately it’s one of the ambitious spivs on your side for the next three and a bit years no matter how much they **** things for whoever comes next.
 
This is genius.

Unfortunately it’s one of the ambitious spivs on your side for the next three and a bit years no matter how much they **** things for whoever comes next.
So run for PM if you think you can do better. I’m sure someone would vote for you? :emoticon-0100-smile
 
TBH Stroller I read the first two and gave up because what they was trying to say was crap.
Example... I was in France and saw how the infections had increased by 66%. My partner and I were both aware before the deadline that France could be taken off the ‘corridor list’. The government even sent me a text alert. The infections continued to rise and so the government acted. You tell me what’s wrong with that?
first they are accused of costing lives and acting too slowly... then when they act Quickly they are accused of ruining holidays and lives?
As I said it Is all anti- government rubbish. If people want to knock one out over that post then good luck.

You might as well put the whole world on ignore.
 
The week in Tory, courtesy of some bloke on FB....

(probably some liberal/anti-Tory remaining woke)


1. The govt announced quarantine for people returning from France

2. It waited until everyone had made travel plans, then brought the policy forwards 24 hours

3. And then an MP using the name “Grant Shapps” helpfully told everybody the wrong date for the start of quarantine
4. Irony’s own Bermuda Triangle, Priti Patel, said migrants were only coming here because the French are all racist and Germans torture people

5. Days after MoD said Patel’s plans for channel protection were “completely potty”, the Navy refused to send warships into the Channel
6. And the UN said her ideas were “very troubling” and would cause “fatal incidents”

7. The govt proceeded with plans to end the furlough scheme, after think-tanks predicted would cost 2 million jobs
8. Universal Credit requires £11bn extra investment to make it cope with current levels of claims, and here come another £2m

9. So naturally, the govt made applications for Universal Credit “online only”, after removing 4000 computers from libraries and job centres since 2015
10. The govt claimed 90% of homeless people were helped off the streets, but data actually showed rough-sleeping rose sharply

11. So govt will scrap the ban on evictions in 5 days’ time, predicted to cause 220,000 extra people in England to become homeless just as winter starts
12. The National Residential Landlords Association said the ban on evictions was “an unnecessary hindrance to our members”

13. 28% of Tory MPs are landlords, and I'm going to mark that down as "an incredible coincidence" and ask no further questions
14. News of unnecessary hindrances brings me to top fireplace salesman Gavin Williamson. He started the week modestly, with a cheery pledge to starve 175,000 children of immigrants, by stopping their free meals while their families cannot legally work or claim benefits
15. All the way back in the mists of time (in May) the govt instructed Ofqual to tell teachers to spend hours per-pupil creating estimated grades, which were reviewed and approved by headteachers
16. But then toothsome mantis Gavin Williamson decided teachers know less than quickly-written and badly-tested software does, and commissioned an algorithm to invent grades for this year's students, based largely on totally different students from different years
17. The Royal Statistical Society (RSS) offered to help assess the outcome of the algorithm after staff at Dept for Education raised concerns. But the govt put barriers in the way which would prevent the RSS from operating properly for 5 years. So they couldn't help.
18. Gavin Williamson is on record instructing Ofqual to design a system that could not allow grade inflation

19. But this week, in a wildly unpredictable turn of events, he blamed Ofqual for - brace yourself - designing a system that did not allow grade inflation
20. But private schools did get grade inflation, an average 8x the increase state schools got

21. On average, 40% of state schools results were downgraded, and in Northern England it was as high as 84%

22. In some subjects, 98.9% of results from private schools were inflated
23. The Times reports the govt still plans to use the algorithm for GCSE’s, but will not downgrade any results, only upgrade them: which only benefits private schools

24. And then a maelstrom of policy changes began: first, students were barred from appealing against results
25. Then they were permitted to appeal results, at a cost of £113 per exam

26. Then it was announced schools would pay the fees, even though schools are not only closed, but broke, having had £7bn cut from their budget by Tories
27. And then it was announced the appeals would be free, even though Ofqual has no facilities to handle that number of appeals

28. And then they cancelled the appeals program completely

29. All that appeals stuff happened in just 48 hours
30. When Scotland used the algorithm, it led to a crisis and had to be abandoned, and Tories called for the Scottish Education Minister to resign

31. Regardless, the UK govt implemented the algorithm that had just been proven to fail, and seemed surprised when it failed
32. The Minister of Innovation said A-Levels don’t matter as much as “grit and determination”, and his failure at Harrow “taught me how to hustle”. He is the 5th Lord Bethan, and “hustled” his way to a hereditary peerage as a result of his Dad dying. Good hustling, dude!
33. Gavin Williamson said there would be “No U-turn, no change”, which I think he got from a sign outside a toll-booth on the M6

34. Boris Johnson said, “be in no doubt about it, the exam results that we've got today are robust, they're good, they're dependable for employers”
35. The Daily Mail – yes, even them – reported the govt only changed its mind after the headmaster of Eton – yes, even them – complained about the unfairness

36. The UK Equalities Watchdog warned it would intervene because the algorithm results were discriminatory
37. Gavin Williamson claimed he only spotted the flaws “at the weekend”, but hours later it was revealed the Commons Education Dept warned him of all these flaws and dangers, in person, and then in a report sent to him on 10th July
38. On the steps of Downing St the day he became PM, Johnson said “My job is to make sure your kids get a superb education, wherever you are from. I will take personal responsibility. The buck stops here”.
39. Boris Johnson is busy “glamping”, so in his absence it was decided the buck stops at the head of Ofqual, who simply followed ministerial instructions; and at Gavin Williamson’s permanent secretary, who was unceremoniously sacked for doing what his boss told him
40. Meanwhile, Williamson felt the best use of his time was to pose for a photo with little on his desk but a cup, a seemingly empty file, and a whip (for reasons that bewilder, but are in keeping with his apparent background as a mildly disturbing minor Addams Family character)
41. Winston Churchill’s grandson, a Tory MP, said of Gavin Williamson “what could have been in the Prime Minister’s mind that led him to appoint so mere, so unreliable, so wholly unsuitable a man to one of the most important jobs in Government”
42. A Tory MP said “It was as clear as day that there would be an issue, given what happened in Scotland, yet they ****ed around”

43. A poetic Tory MP said the govt was “****ing into the void”, and if that’s not the name of a band by midnight, what’s the point of anything?
44. There are now calls for Ofqual to be abolished and replaced with something that will probably be worse, but as yet no news on which unqualified but vaguely aristocratic Tory MP’s wife will run it. I'll keep you posted.
45. Meanwhile, Gavin Williamson had promised to provide laptops to disadvantaged students during the lockdown, but only half the required laptops were delivered, and 27 Academy Trusts got just 1 laptop each, to be shared between over 2000 students
46. After the stunning success of this bit of Artificial Intelligence, the govt announced plans to boost Whitehall AI spending by £200m. The money will go to Faculty AI, which has links to [checks notes] a Mr Dominic Cummings, resident of Whitehall and Specsavers in Durham
47. Rumours that the govt has an algorithm that turns every minister into Chris Grayling are unfounded

48. Chris Grayling – I mean, Gavin Williamson - now has to persuade parents that he’s competent enough to make schools safe for their kids to return. Good luck with that, Gav.
49. The govt had 5 months to plan and execute one exam policy affecting 335,000 students

50. The govt now has 4 months to plan and execute over 2000 Brexit policies affecting 67 million of us, and every business in the country. Brace, brace.
51. On the subject of Brexit, this week Boris Johnson said there would only be a customs border in the Irish Sea “over my dead body”.

52. The same Boris Johnson signed the Withdrawal Agreement that creates a customs border in the Irish sea
53. Trade Secretary and part-time punchline Liz Truss promised “I will consign these unfair tariffs to the bin of history” when she makes her stern demands in a trade deal between USA (world’s biggest economy) and UK (2% of global trade). I bet the USA is ****ting itself.
54. Meanwhile, after Liz Truss sang the praises of a potential deal with NZ (value: 4% of the trade we will lose with a No Deal Brexit) the NZ deputy PM said “Britain is not match fit for trade talks” and was “beset with inertia”
55. Boris Johnson promised “lower costs and a bonfire of red tape” as a result of Brexit

56. So imagine my shock when this week the govt pledge £355m to help companies in NI deal with “a new wave of red tape”
57. The govt scrapped Public Health England in the middle of a pandemic. Cos that’s what we need. Not testing. Just a new sign over a door.
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58. It then appointed Dido Harding to the replacement organisation, even though the replacement organisation didn’t exist at the time
59. Some notes on Dido Harding, in case you're unfamiliar with her impressive record of failing upwards

60. The Evening Standard – a Tory-supporting paper – wrote of her “Dido Harding's utter ignorance is a lesson to us all”
61. She ran the programme that spent 15x the worldwide average building a tracing app that she was told wouldn’t work, unsurprisingly didn’t work work, and which it then scrapped without publishing accounts of where that £13m went
62. She runs Test and Trace, described as “not fit for purpose, let alone world-beating” by the chair of NHS Providers

63. Her £100m Test and Trace programme traced only 56% of cases, compared with Blackburn council, who traced 98% without a penny of new funding
64. She is a Tory peer, married to a Tory MP, who is adviser to a group that campaigns for the defunding, break-up and sale of the NHS; and if you wanted that, putting somebody famous for "utter ignorance" in charge would be a good first step
65. She’s on the board of The Jockey Club, which is based in Matt Hancock’s constituency and gave tens of thousands in donations to Matt Hancock, and then coincidentally got dispensation to stay open for 180,000 unwitting fans when the Covid 19 outbreak began
66. A major Jockey Club sponsor is Randox, to whom her husband is an adviser, and which coincidentally got a £133m contract to produce testing kits without any other providers being allowed to bid for the work

67. Her husband – get this – is a “Govt Anti-Corruption Champion”
68. More govt anti-corruption, and Serco got a £108m contract, just months after it was fined £2.6m for buggering up a previous contract. The minister awarding the contract? A former Serco lobbyist. Chief exec of Serco? A Tory MP.
69. Meanwhile, Medical Examiners have been instructed not to make public the results of investigations into hundreds of deaths of NHS workers who didn’t have PPE

70. The value of utterly useless PPE rose from a mere £50m last week to £300m this week
71. And who got the contracts for useless PPE? A company part-owned by a friend and advisor to Liz Trust. Did I say Trust? I meant Truss. Definitely not Trust.
72. Meanwhile, Sajid Javid, employed full-time as an MP, also took a job at banking giant JP Morgan; cos if the last 10 years has taught us anything, it’s that there’s no danger in MPs or bankers not fully concentrating on what they’re doing
73. The Royal Society issued a report saying relaxing the lockdown early would “inflate deaths and deepen recession”

74. So obviously, the govt relaxed the lockdown in Leicester
75. The Chief Exec of the care home charity CIC said the care sector was “being left to prepare for a second wave alone” as it has received no advice or assistance from govt

76. 10% of care home residents died of Covid in the first half of this year. Not laughing now, are you
77. Weeks after it was proven Russia was regularly attempting to pervert UK democracy, a report found “an ongoing risk of cyber security incidents within Cabinet Office due to the vulnerability of legacy IT systems”, and Michael Gove is directly responsible for fixing it
78. Michael Gove was found to use an insecure email account under the name “Mrs Blurt” (and boasting of blurting as a way of deterring spies is, shall we say, novel) to discuss govt business with Dominic Cummings. So I don’t have terribly high hopes
79. The govt continued to focus on the big stuff, by converting a privy council room in number 9 Downing St into a TV studio it dubbed “the best in the world” – but then again, isn’t everything in this list?
80. The “best in the world” studio isn’t big enough to fit socially distanced journalists, the PM hasn’t even got an official spokesman, and Civil Service regulations prevent one from being appointed but the govt hadn’t realised that
It’s Tuesday. We have 3 more days of this week to go.

I'll be here again in a few days, and in the interim I will accept gif
ts of good single malt whisky, or heroic doses of laudanum
Standard practice and future standard practise I'm afraid. I'm sure fact check could clarify any disputed points. This obviously has to be dismissed as 'anti tory' drivel otherwise one may just believe it and be very dissapointed in our government.
 
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Maybe we can find one from the lot you voted for like Chukka or that stupid Scottish woman who I can’t even remember the name of.
Maybe you should try and run for PM?

Chuka chucked it in when he realised that Labour wasn't going to get elected and now works for Edelman as an ESG advisor

But a true Labour party member would surely never resort to working for nasty big business would they??
 
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That's Murdoch's opinion too, aand I think his new channel could embarrass Sky and the BBC
She is shockingly bad Goldie. I remember 3 recent afters by her.
After talking to Sunak who answered all her questions she said “slippery as ever”
After talking to a minister she said “ I will let you get on with your work...or not”
She also described something as a ‘government fiasco’.
She doesn’t know what impartiality is. Just another liberal remainer who Can’t keep her views to herself.
Factamondo was spot on she looks like Skeletor! <laugh>
 
Why do we love on an era where failure is rewarded amongst the elite? It beggars belief. Harding who has presided over talk talk and the embarrassing 'world beating' track and trace, is now going to oversee the new public health england/nhs privatisation.....theres less corruption in Belarus !!!
 
Why do we love on an era where failure is rewarded amongst the elite? It beggars belief. Harding who has presided over talk talk and the embarrassing 'world beating' track and trace, is now going to oversee the new public health england/nhs privatisation.....theres less corruption in Belarus !!!
Totally agree Bob take Tony Blair... And his WMD case that he brought to the house. It caused so many deaths in Iraq which then created ISIS and so on. Took our troops I’ll-equipped into a war on a lie and is rewarded by being the chairman for the institute of Global change... you couldn’t make it up?

last week I saw some posts blaming Patel and Boris for the death of a 16yr old crossing the channel. Some would argue a different point, like why are they fleeing their countries... is it because of war by any chance? All roads lead to Blair.
 
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Totally agree Bob take Tony Blair... And his WMD case that he brought to the house. It caused so many deaths in Iraq which then created ISIS and so on. Took our troops I’ll-equipped into a war on a lie and is rewarded by being the chairman for the institute of Global change... you couldn’t make it up?

last week I saw some posts blaming Patel and Boris for the death of a 16yr old crossing the channel. Some would argue a different point, like why are they fleeing their countries... is it because of war by any chance? All roads lead to Blair.

Excellent Ellers, that really addressed Bob's point about Dido Harding being rewarded for failure <doh>.
 
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Excellent Ellers, that really addressed Bob's point about Dido Harding being rewarded for failure <doh>.
I was addressing the point about failure being rewarded... but agree I went off on one. Although my point is spot on... half the problems we have with terrorist and displacement of people lies firmly at the feet of Blair.
 
I was addressing the point about failure being rewarded... but agree I went off on one. Although my point is spot on... half the problems we have with terrorist and displacement of people lies firmly at the feet of Blair.

Well, more at the feet of Bush - Blair was just his puppet. What you conveniently forget, though, is that millions of Labour supporters (including me) and dozens of Labour MPs (notable amongst them, one J. Corbyn) opposed our intervention in Iraq. The vast majority of Tory MPs, in contrast, supported it.

But why not just actually address Bob's point? Or the 80 points in my earlier post that you dismissed. How can you and the other Tories on here possibly defend the breathtaking incompetence and shameless corruption of this government?
 
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last week I saw some posts blaming Patel and Boris for the death of a 16yr old crossing the channel. Some would argue a different point, like why are they fleeing their countries... is it because of war by any chance? All roads lead to Blair.

Not that it makes a difference in what was a waste of a life but it should be pointed out that the ‘16 year old boy’ was actually 28 years old.
Just proves that the media and politicians from all sides will manipulate any situation to suit their own twisted needs.
I hate them all.
 
I was addressing the point about failure being rewarded... but agree I went off on one. Although my point is spot on... half the problems we have with terrorist and displacement of people lies firmly at the feet of Blair.
I remember Corbyn saying in certain words much the same thing. The media then publicised it as Corbyn says terrorism is all our fault! Bizarre really.
 
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Well, more at the feet of Bush - Blair was just his puppet. What you conveniently forget, though, is that millions of Labour supporters (including me) and dozens of Labour MPs (notable amongst them, one J. Corbyn) opposed our intervention in Iraq. The vast majority of Tory MPs, in contrast, supported it.

But why not just actually address Bob's point? Or the 80 points in my earlier post that you dismissed. How can you and the other Tories on here possibly defend the breathtaking incompetence and shameless corruption of this government?
It's pretty hard to defend the points but really easy to dismiss them. Like I said, it's very simple to fact check nowadays but that might just upset a few. Johnsons debate on his poverty claims figures in PMQs was fact checked. Quite embarrassing that the leader of this country could get away with it! Then again if you fact checked everything Johnson said then he wouldnt actually say much.
 
It's pretty hard to defend the points but really easy to dismiss them. Like I said, it's very simple to fact check nowadays but that might just upset a few. Johnsons debate on his poverty claims figures in PMQs was fact checked. Quite embarrassing that the leader of this country could get away with it! Then again if you fact checked everything Johnson said then he wouldnt actually say much.


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