Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Staines R's]

Not really, only if you can't see the point, how ethnicity changes the narrative, reporting and reaction to an incident. I've sat quite and took a break from here where pretty much any negative action carried out by a black person was used to undermine and dismiss the BLM movement. Yet when it's the other way round it's silly and bizarre... both very dismissive terms. I noticed the same, and how it turned, whilst jokingly, slightly personal against WWR/Watford/anyothernamehehasgoneunder. Whilst yes he did it in a flippant way, he has a very valid point, the overwhelming majority of sex offences against children are committed by middle aged white men, yet that is not seen as a 'white' problem and white people are not asked to explain this, white people are not asked to look into their communities, parenting, traditions, etc... yet black knife crime is a term we hear all the time. Using blackness as the prime major contributing factor

You really are sounding a bit strange and somewhat fixated now Wills......and dare I say it, a bit like your namesake did before he flounced off.
Are you saying there is not a problem with young black males getting into knife crime and gang culture, especially in London ?

 

[BobbyD]

Not really, only if you can't see the point, how ethnicity changes the narrative, reporting and reaction to an incident. I've sat quite and took a break from here where pretty much any negative action carried out by a black person was used to undermine and dismiss the BLM movement. Yet when it's the other way round it's silly and bizarre... both very dismissive terms. I noticed the same, and how it turned, whilst jokingly, slightly personal against WWR/Watford/anyothernamehehasgoneunder. Whilst yes he did it in a flippant way, he has a very valid point, the overwhelming majority of sex offences against children are committed by middle aged white men, yet that is not seen as a 'white' problem and white people are not asked to explain this, white people are not asked to look into their communities, parenting, traditions, etc... yet black knife crime is a term we hear all the time. Using blackness as the prime major contributing factor

it's a toughy, we should be trying to tackle knife crime rather than applying labels but unfortunately in inner city london it's predominantly young black kids (or at least we are told, i haven't looked at statistics but number of knife crime murders i read would suggest).

It's probably more of a rich vs poor thing.

That's just people fighting for their side. Just as every time dave from hull wanted to take back control of the country and was called a racist and people needed to justify there brexit position , people are going to be bash these BLM movements when they see violence at these BLM rallies (even if its only at 1% of rallies) as they will show these.

With respect to defending white middle aged nonces, the impression i get is that BLM doesn't really think that it's the problem of these young black kids who get sucked into a life of crime (unfortunate circumstances and understandable how it happens but decisions they still make) whereas i don't think any ****er on here is going to be defending the likes of prince andrew or gary glitter.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Yuck. What sort of macchiatos do staid Tory voters and salt of the earth types wot vote for God's own party like then? I hope you're not being caramelist again.

 

[Steelmonkey]

the overwhelming majority of sex offences against children are committed by middle aged white men, yet that is not seen as a 'white' problem and white people are not asked to explain this, white people are not asked to look into their communities, parenting, traditions, etc...

I'm not going to defend any type of sex offender, but do you have stas for that? Pointing the finger at white men whilst asian gangs in the north of England groom hundreds of children and peddle them out to their mates would seem to contradict your statement

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Not really, only if you can't see the point, how ethnicity changes the narrative, reporting and reaction to an incident. I've sat quite and took a break from here where pretty much any negative action carried out by a black person was used to undermine and dismiss the BLM movement. Yet when it's the other way round it's silly and bizarre... both very dismissive terms. I noticed the same, and how it turned, whilst jokingly, slightly personal against WWR/Watford/anyothernamehehasgoneunder. Whilst yes he did it in a flippant way, he has a very valid point, the overwhelming majority of sex offences against children are committed by middle aged white men, yet that is not seen as a 'white' problem and white people are not asked to explain this, white people are not asked to look into their communities, parenting, traditions, etc... yet black knife crime is a term we hear all the time. Using blackness as the prime major contributing factor

****phile gang grooming is almost exclusively by Asian men

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

****phile gang grooming is almost exclusively by Asian men

It’s true they hugely overindex in that but those offences make up a relatively small percentage of overall sex offences against kids. Unsurprisingly it’s the bit certain segments of the media focus on.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

It’s true they hugely overindex in that but those offences make up a relatively small percentage of overall sex offences against kids. Unsurpris

That's broadly true, although the figures I can find come from 2011, and at this time, the police and local authorities were still avoiding investigating ethnic minority ****phile offences for fear of being called racist. There may well be stuff to come out of the woodwork. Nevertheless, ****philia is a problem across the racial board

 

[SARQPR]

It’s true they hugely overindex in that but those offences make up a relatively small percentage of overall sex offences against kids. Unsurprisingly it’s the bit certain segments of the media focus on.

Around 90% of those on the Sex Offenders Register are white, so slightly over indexing against the population. Asians slightly over index too but other ethnicities under index. The Asian % doesn't give a more detailed split or breakdown by religion

What the figure doesn't show of course is the number of offences. Grooming gangs tend to commit more offences and those offences tend to be of a more serious nature. Inclusion on the register is for a very broad range of offences too, not necessarily involving direct sexual contact (e.g. possession of child pornography)

 

[Willhoops]

It’s true they hugely overindex in that but those offences make up a relatively small percentage of overall sex offences against kids. Unsurprisingly it’s the bit certain segments of the media focus on.

Nail and head, it says all you need to know about how peoples perceptions have been influenced. Might be interesting to see the figures for percentage per age and gender as well

This is a link that goes up to 2016.

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ted-sexual-offenders-by-ethnicity-tables.xlsx

 

[Willhoops]

Not easy to see as so many 'articles' not many statistics and I'm not spending hours of my time looking into this, but an article in the Telegraph suggests that women are convicted of more sexual offences than people perceive (and don't differentiate between adult or child) but it's still at a ratio of 1-9. What that seems to indicate is that despite being around 48% of the population, statistically speaking being male more than anything is a unifying factor yet it doesn't seem to be mentioned as a contributing when ethnicity does. Why are we not looking at males? And what being male is?

 

[SARQPR]

Not easy to see as so many 'articles' not many statistics and I'm not spending hours of my time looking into this, but an article in the Telegraph suggests that women are convicted of more sexual offences than people perceive (and don't differentiate between adult or child) but it's still at a ratio of 1-9. What that seems to indicate is that despite being around 48% of the population, statistically speaking being male more than anything is a unifying factor yet it doesn't seem to be mentioned as a contributing when ethnicity does. Why are we not looking at males? And what being male is?

What do you mean by that Will? Not sure I follow - sounds like profiling to me

 

[BobbyD]

Not easy to see as so many 'articles' not many statistics and I'm not spending hours of my time looking into this, but an article in the Telegraph suggests that women are convicted of more sexual offences than people perceive (and don't differentiate between adult or child) but it's still at a ratio of 1-9. What that seems to indicate is that despite being around 48% of the population, statistically speaking being male more than anything is a unifying factor yet it doesn't seem to be mentioned as a contributing when ethnicity does. Why are we not looking at males? And what being male is?

Pretty sure males do get profiled more as well as in domestic abuse as well as getting longer sentences?

 

[Willhoops]

What do you mean by that Will? Not sure I follow - sounds like profiling to me

What I'm getting at is we hear a lot about Asian grooming gangs and it being an Asian/Muslim problem, is that not profiling? Especially I'm yet to see figures that support as a whole sexual crime against children being committed disproportionately by Asians over say whites. We hear a lot about black knife/violent crime, and that blackness is being put forward as a factor, so that's profiling as you put it, being put forward as a contributing factor, when the one common denominating factor on pretty much all crime is that statistically speaking is that males commit by far and away in larger numbers. So either that factor is being pretty much ignored as a factor despite it being the most defining, or if you don't like profiling you should be thoroughly against any mention of Asian when it comes to grooming gangs or black when it comes to violence as that is profiling as well.

 

[Willhoops]

Pretty sure males do get profiled more as well as in domestic abuse as well as getting longer sentences?

Bobs the point I'm making is we don't see male knife crime, we don't see being male child sex abuse or grooming gangs when statistically speaking it is shown to be massively disproportionate committed by males, yet you hear black or Muslim being mentioned as a factor all the time, weird that

 

[Willhoops]

Right I’ve made my points. Have a beautiful day folks.

 

[SARQPR]

What I'm getting at is we hear a lot about Asian grooming gangs and it being an Asian/Muslim problem, is that not profiling? Especially I'm yet to see figures that support as a whole sexual crime against children being committed disproportionately by Asians over say whites. We hear a lot about black knife/violent crime, and that blackness is being put forward as a factor, so that's profiling as you put it, being put forward as a contributing factor, when the one common denominating factor on pretty much all crime is that statistically speaking is that males commit by far and away in larger numbers. So either that factor is being pretty much ignored as a factor despite it being the most defining, or if you don't like profiling you should be thoroughly against any mention of Asian when it comes to grooming gangs or black when it comes to violence as that is profiling as well.

Given its use in the right situations I'm all for profiling. Indeed without it many offenders would never be caught

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Bobs the point I'm making is we don't see male knife crime, we don't see being male child sex abuse or grooming gangs when statistically speaking it is shown to be massively disproportionate committed by males, yet you hear black or Muslim being mentioned as a factor all the time, weird that

It's simply that there's no point in stating the bleedin' obvious. The vast majority of ****phile offending is committed by men, and the vast majority of knife crime is by men. You break it down from there

It's not unrelated to note that Wiley admits to have been stabbed over 20 times. Stormzy is doing well at 3 times. A certain part of black culture has violence at its base. Here and in the US.

 

[Staines R's]

Bobs the point I'm making is we don't see male knife crime, we don't see being male child sex abuse or grooming gangs when statistically speaking it is shown to be massively disproportionate committed by males, yet you hear black or Muslim being mentioned as a factor all the time, weird that

It’s not weird at all.... it’s just factual.

 

[Staines R's]

Right I’ve made my points. Have a beautiful day folks.

Your points are rubbish Wills.
Have a nice day

 

[kiwiqpr]

What I'm getting at is we hear a lot about Asian grooming gangs and it being an Asian/Muslim problem, is that not profiling? Especially I'm yet to see figures that support as a whole sexual crime against children being committed disproportionately by Asians over say whites. We hear a lot about black knife/violent crime, and that blackness is being put forward as a factor, so that's profiling as you put it, being put forward as a contributing factor, when the one common denominating factor on pretty much all crime is that statistically speaking is that males commit by far and away in larger numbers. So either that factor is being pretty much ignored as a factor despite it being the most defining, or if you don't like profiling you should be thoroughly against any mention of Asian when it comes to grooming gangs or black when it comes to violence as that is profiling as well.

can you break it down a bit more
which Asians are doing all this grooming
is it the japanese