Bit naughty this, they must have known the truth would come out. Maybe they considered the truth wouldn’t really matter to some people?
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I have read some stuff on Twitter which is concerning. Some were saying that many London Statues should come down and road names changed. They are trying to change our history? People won't stand for it. I notice Sadick Khan is also coming out with his usual rubbish.
No but if you take statues down people won't understand the past. What they should do with the bloke in Bristol is keep it up and put underneath 'here is Some fella who helped build Bristol however he was a slave trader' let the people make their own decisions. This country has a fab history and agree it has its bad points but it not up to a mob to decide they can pull down or deface statues. What next, should we knock down the cenotaph because it's about the war dead? Do we takedown Auswitzs because a few people don't believe the holocaust is true?
Fortunately, the huge majority of the population will put a stop to this nonsense.
Mate I need to go on holiday. I going stir crazy. Hopefully, the idiots that put that stupid quarantine on will relax it soon... or do a U-turn?
I'm a bit conflicted here.
I agree with Wills and his right to protest, for BLM and other issues. There are many great causes worth showing solidarity for, and the murder of George Floyd is one of them, but it is evident that these protests have been hijacked.
I agree that the staue should have been bought down, but as Ellers says, pulling it down is wrong. I'm sure I heard the mayor of Bristol (who is black) condemn the statue, but also said it shouldn't have been removed in that manner. He also stated that as Bristols first black mayor, he felt it innappropriate for him to remove the statue (prior to the whole BLM protests) as one of his first acts of office, even though there had been petitons to have it taken down, as it would have sent out the wrong message. Education of the historical importance of such statues and the history behind the character would be beneficial. The mayor has also said they will retrieve the statue and put it in a museum.
The BLM message not so much being lost, b0ut being drowned out by the violence and looting, and the excessive media coverage of these actions. This is denuding the actual valid protest of valuable airtime. If these morons continue their acts of vandalism, especially on memorials to our fallen heroes who gave their lives for these idiots to have free speech, then they will end up losing the argument for the whole movement.
We can't rewrite history. You learn from your mistakes, and if those mistakes are erased from memory then future generations may not learn.
Good luck with your protests Will, I feel that you may need it.
first they came for the slave traders
then they came for the kings
next they will come for you
meet you all at the book burning
Im really torn......for sure there shouldn’t be statues to slave traders, however where do we draw the line ?.....every single figure in history will have something that others find distasteful. As I said before, maybe we should get rid of every statue, plaque and memorial then there is nothing to protest about.
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To be fair....when you look at his past..he was a proper **** of the highest order and responsible for the deaths of millions in the Congo...... more on par with Adolf than St Teresa
how do we learn from history if its all been smashed or hidden away
Sadiq Khan forms diversity commission to review London landmarks
9 June 2020, 06:35 | Updated: 9 June 2020, 10:12
The stature of Churchill was damaged over the weekend. Picture: PA
By EJ Ward
@EJWardNews
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Landmarks and statues across the capital will be reviewed to ensure they reflect London's diversity, Mayor Sadiq Khan's office has said.
The move comes after protesters tore down a statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol over the weekend amid Black Lives Matter protests.
Over the weekend graffiti was scrawled on the Sir Winston Churchill statue in Parliament Square with concerns raised over the former Prime Minister's views.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned legal repercussions must follow, and called for people to "work peacefully, lawfully, to defeat racism".
Mayor Sadiq Khan's office said London is "one of the most diverse cities in the world", but recent anti-racism demonstrations have highlighted that the city's statues, plaques and street names largely reflect Victorian Britain.
Statues, murals, street art and street names will all be reviewed by the new Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm who will also consider what should be celebrated before making recommendations.
But London Assembly Tories have hit out at the Mayor's plans, accusing him of declaring war on the capital's monuments.
Assembly Member Susan Hall said: "Sadiq Khan has declared war on the capital's monuments.
"Instead of virtue signalling and starting a divisive debate, he should focus on his job.
"He can start by fixing the mess he made of TfL's finances and getting our city moving safely again."
A statue of Churchill in Parliament Square was damaged at the weekend. Picture: PA
The Mayor of London said: "It is an uncomfortable truth that our nation and city owes a large part of its wealth to its role in the slave trade and while this is reflected in our public realm, the contribution of many of our communities to life in our capital has been wilfully ignored.
"This cannot continue."
Mr Khan said we must ensure that we "celebrate the achievements and diversity of all in our city, and that we commemorate those who have made London what it is - that includes questioning which legacies are being celebrated."
He added that recent protests had brought the matter to public attention, but said it was "important that we take the right steps to work together to bring change and ensure that we can all be proud of our public landscape."
The commission - which will be co-chaired by Debbie Weekes-Bernard, the deputy mayor for social integration, social mobility and community engagement, and deputy mayor for culture and creative industries Justine Simons - will include historians as well as arts, council and community leaders.
It comes ahead of planned anti-racism demonstrations in London as George Floyd is laid to rest in the US, after a killing which Boris Johnson said had awakened an "incontrovertible, undeniable feeling of injustice" worldwide.
Mr Floyd, who died after a police officer in Minneapolis restrained him by holding a knee on his neck, will be buried in his home town of Houston in Texas on Tuesday.
Home Secretary Priti Patel tweeted an image of the Daily Mail front page, showing the toppling of the Colston statue in Bristol and graffiti on the Churchill monument in Parliament Square.
She wrote: "These demonstrations have been subverted by thuggery. Justice will follow."
9 June 2020, 06:35 | Updated: 9 June 2020, 10:12
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The stature of Churchill was damaged over the weekend. Picture: PA
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By EJ Ward
@EJWardNews
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Landmarks and statues across the capital will be reviewed to ensure they reflect London's diversity, Mayor Sadiq Khan's office has said.
The move comes after protesters tore down a statue of slave trader Edward Colston in Bristol over the weekend amid Black Lives Matter protests.
Over the weekend graffiti was scrawled on the Sir Winston Churchill statue in Parliament Square with concerns raised over the former Prime Minister's views.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson warned legal repercussions must follow, and called for people to "work peacefully, lawfully, to defeat racism".
Mayor Sadiq Khan's office said London is "one of the most diverse cities in the world", but recent anti-racism demonstrations have highlighted that the city's statues, plaques and street names largely reflect Victorian Britain.
Statues, murals, street art and street names will all be reviewed by the new Commission for Diversity in the Public Realm who will also consider what should be celebrated before making recommendations.
But London Assembly Tories have hit out at the Mayor's plans, accusing him of declaring war on the capital's monuments.
Assembly Member Susan Hall said: "Sadiq Khan has declared war on the capital's monuments.
"Instead of virtue signalling and starting a divisive debate, he should focus on his job.
"He can start by fixing the mess he made of TfL's finances and getting our city moving safely again."
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A statue of Churchill in Parliament Square was damaged at the weekend. Picture: PA
The Mayor of London said: "It is an uncomfortable truth that our nation and city owes a large part of its wealth to its role in the slave trade and while this is reflected in our public realm, the contribution of many of our communities to life in our capital has been wilfully ignored.
"This cannot continue."
Mr Khan said we must ensure that we "celebrate the achievements and diversity of all in our city, and that we commemorate those who have made London what it is - that includes questioning which legacies are being celebrated."
He added that recent protests had brought the matter to public attention, but said it was "important that we take the right steps to work together to bring change and ensure that we can all be proud of our public landscape."
The commission - which will be co-chaired by Debbie Weekes-Bernard, the deputy mayor for social integration, social mobility and community engagement, and deputy mayor for culture and creative industries Justine Simons - will include historians as well as arts, council and community leaders.
It comes ahead of planned anti-racism demonstrations in London as George Floyd is laid to rest in the US, after a killing which Boris Johnson said had awakened an "incontrovertible, undeniable feeling of injustice" worldwide.
Mr Floyd, who died after a police officer in Minneapolis restrained him by holding a knee on his neck, will be buried in his home town of Houston in Texas on Tuesday.
Home Secretary Priti Patel tweeted an image of the Daily Mail front page, showing the toppling of the Colston statue in Bristol and graffiti on the Churchill monument in Parliament Square.
She wrote: "These demonstrations have been subverted by thuggery. Justice will follow."
Maybe read a book ?
I do agree though, it does all smack of being like the Taliban or ISIS.....smash the idols we don’t agree with
depends whose allowed to write the book though