Thank **** for that. His dad was right, he killed his own career through mindless opportunism.
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May be his supporters defected to Gove today. Perhaps Boris just has too many skeletons in his cupboard. I could see him as Foreign Secretary under PM Gove
It's really interesting how we read things differently according to our existing bias. I read that as 'if you want freedom of movement of capital, you accept freedom of movement of people'. But it could be interpreted in many ways.
Long, long way to go, but at least we won't have a toxic egoist sitting on our side of the table. My, the blue rinse set and tweedy blimps in the Shires will be miffed they can't vote for lovely Boris.
Well done Boris - I'm sure the Leavers among us won't forget how you won the Referendum for them. The Remainers certainly won't.
You can be a bit of an old woman at times Col, but your not a racist. Just ignore morons they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Boris Johnson unnerved Brexit campaigners with newspaper article'
Posted at12:05
Boris Johnson's Daily Telegraph article had caused "a wobble" in the Brexit campaign, says BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith.
He says the piece seemed to suggest the former London mayor had gone cool on Brexit, which unnerved many pro-Leave campaigners,
So Boris has lost his nerve....I think he has realised how setting off the whole process is a poisioned chalice. Cowardly old lion is to scared to go through with it.
Unfortunately opportunistic Gove isn't
Posted at12:05
Boris Johnson's Daily Telegraph article had caused "a wobble" in the Brexit campaign, says BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith.
He says the piece seemed to suggest the former London mayor had gone cool on Brexit, which unnerved many pro-Leave campaigners,
So Boris has lost his nerve....I think he has realised how setting off the whole process is a poisioned chalice. Cowardly old lion is to scared to go through with it.
Unfortunately opportunistic Gove isn't
Have now read the Telegraph article...and can see the (Boris's) problem
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe--and-alw/
The title :
I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be
Boris Johnson
In it he says:-
The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation:
Nothing about immigration nothing aboout limiting free movement...in fact he says
British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down
He knows he cannot guarantee any of the things he has promised in the Brexit campaign (the 350 million to the NHS, the curb on immigration, the trade deals away from Europe), he is now softening what he is aying...and so he cannot stand.
He has bottled it.
We live in interesting a frightening times
We will be left with Gove (his football affilliations apart) who has been called "The worst education secretary in living memory,"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe--and-alw/
The title :
I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe – and always will be
Boris Johnson
In it he says:-
The only change – and it will not come in any great rush – is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU’s extraordinary and opaque system of legislation:
Nothing about immigration nothing aboout limiting free movement...in fact he says
British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down
He knows he cannot guarantee any of the things he has promised in the Brexit campaign (the 350 million to the NHS, the curb on immigration, the trade deals away from Europe), he is now softening what he is aying...and so he cannot stand.
He has bottled it.
We live in interesting a frightening times
We will be left with Gove (his football affilliations apart) who has been called "The worst education secretary in living memory,"
I think we now begin to see things much more clearly.
Boris lies to a nation - with considerable help from Farage & Co.
Boris' lies come home to roost and wins much to his complete surprise.
Boris now calculates that this is indeed a poisoned chalice and if he leads, it will go very badly indeed.
Boris steps away from fray, hopefully into the barren wasteland of the back benches.
Boris reveals himself as a feckless, gutless and self serving opportunist who was prepared to gamble with the future of the UK!
Seems to me that this Guardian Journo pretty much called it right but only time will tell I suppose.
http://indy100.independent.co.uk/ar...-david-cameron-and-brexit-is-true--bJhqBql0VZ
I no longer care which side is upset. I want the leader who will broker the best deal for the UK, in the light of the referendum, to be appointed. It seems you can make an argument either way for that to be May (In) or Gove (Out).
Surprised that Johnson isn't going to run for leader. I'm assuming he now believes the MPs don't trust him or his abilities enough without Gove at his side - despite them probably accepting the popular Conservative vote would be very keen on him come election time. I'm sure many Conservatives will see this as a betrayal by Gove. To me, that misaddressed email from Gove's wife is starting to look very much like the first shot in a campaign to demonstrate Gove is a man of principle rather than a traitor to Boris - a "Mike, you can't trust Boris to carry Brexit through and everyone knows you didn't want to be PM, but your country/Rupert/Paul needs you to stand" sort of thing.
Gove is potentially dangerous for the country, because he IS someone with an idealogical perspective and single-minded enough to carry it through because he believes he is right and has no doubts about those beliefs. That single-mindedness would be a weakness in a PM in my opinion, but my opinion isn't important to the Conservative party, I'm sure!
Still looks to me like my original guess 3-4 weeks ago that it would be Theresa May is holding up. Mind you, I was wrong about the referendum result. Anyone else got a view to share?
Edit: Just saw RTIDs post. I'd guess May will win and Gove will negotiate our exit. No Conservative will openly go against the Brexit referendum - they'll focus on no election right now and we intend to carry out the mandate we gained in 2015.
Edit 2: Now I've seen extracts from Mays speech this morning and that's basically her take on Brexit, their mandate and an early election, too.
Gove is potentially dangerous for the country, because he IS someone with an idealogical perspective and single-minded enough to carry it through because he believes he is right and has no doubts about those beliefs. That single-mindedness would be a weakness in a PM in my opinion, but my opinion isn't important to the Conservative party, I'm sure!
Still looks to me like my original guess 3-4 weeks ago that it would be Theresa May is holding up. Mind you, I was wrong about the referendum result. Anyone else got a view to share?
Edit: Just saw RTIDs post. I'd guess May will win and Gove will negotiate our exit. No Conservative will openly go against the Brexit referendum - they'll focus on no election right now and we intend to carry out the mandate we gained in 2015.
Edit 2: Now I've seen extracts from Mays speech this morning and that's basically her take on Brexit, their mandate and an early election, too.
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First sorry Durbar... I did not see this until now..
And second sorry.... you are probably right about us not missing Scotland financally either as I have now researched it properly (anything is better than work).
What I have found is in 2014-15 shows Scotland's public spending was almost £15bn more than its tax revenue . An added proviso on this is...if we leave the EU but Scotland stay with us (they don't want to) is that Boris said (I know that is not worth the paper it was said on) we would make up the shortfall in EU regional spending from central Government...which will make it even more unevenly balanced.
So you are right Durbar
Here is an interesting view on 'journo-politicians' like Gove and Johnson.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/boris-johnson-michael-gove-eu-liars
Thanks Stan. That is as eloquent an 'I told you so' as I've ever read.
A painful but necessary read.
It is hard for anyone to absolutely know anything just now but I believe Boris has proven himself a liar and a coward. Just heard Hesseltine on the radio who was scathing in his thoughts about Boris.
Enough for the moment. Back to work.
Just about to have my first work discussion where we will have to factor in Brexit consequences. I'm quite glad that, although a Briton living in Britain I do very little UK related work, and today I can ask our UK team questions, most of which are impossible to answer, rather than have to try to answer them. I reckon we will end up saying 'let's put everything on hold for a couple of months'. I can envisage hundreds if not thousands of companies doing the same thing while we live through this limbo. Except some will say 'well, we really can't wait, let's figure out a less risky way to take this decision/invest our cash than rely on the U.K.'. The reward of uncertainty.
I'd enjoy it if Johnson has the piss taken out of him relentlessly for his performance, but the important thing is that he will be nowhere near the leadership of the country. I sincerely hope no one offers him a cabinet post. Gove is equally tainted, I would definitely vote May if forced.
I do a day's work and come home to this! A day in politics!
Firstly no need to have an election as part of the mandate was a referendum which happened. Nothing has changed for the Tories: they won an election last year so no need to put us through it again until 2020. However the clever side of me says they don't want one because they could lose seats. Labour would get slaughtered, especially up north. So no chance of an election.
Boris was always a dodgy person to have as PM. No experience on front bench/cabinet. He wouldn't get the respect in Brussels and he is a compulsive liar.
Gove (sorry Brutus) is better placed for the job and would get the backing of Osborne and a few others.
Fox is crafty as, as he has no chance but can use his friends/votes to get a cabinet place.
May is the fav but did nothing on immigration and during campaign and was a 'remainer' so many Tories won't trust her. I will also say that she is quite cold in areas.
Others just looking for cabinet jobs.
I will say that Cameron was a good PM and it's sad after all this that someone who was on his side could be PM. One thing is clear and that Brexit (article 50) will be activated in Dec.
Firstly no need to have an election as part of the mandate was a referendum which happened. Nothing has changed for the Tories: they won an election last year so no need to put us through it again until 2020. However the clever side of me says they don't want one because they could lose seats. Labour would get slaughtered, especially up north. So no chance of an election.
Boris was always a dodgy person to have as PM. No experience on front bench/cabinet. He wouldn't get the respect in Brussels and he is a compulsive liar.
Gove (sorry Brutus) is better placed for the job and would get the backing of Osborne and a few others.
Fox is crafty as, as he has no chance but can use his friends/votes to get a cabinet place.
May is the fav but did nothing on immigration and during campaign and was a 'remainer' so many Tories won't trust her. I will also say that she is quite cold in areas.
Others just looking for cabinet jobs.
I will say that Cameron was a good PM and it's sad after all this that someone who was on his side could be PM. One thing is clear and that Brexit (article 50) will be activated in Dec.
Whilst the Tories seem to have seen off Boris, Labour are descending into pure farce. Angela Eagle set to challenge Corbyn for leadership but with grass roots support as massive as ever I can't see him losing. With the new Prime Minister likely to see this as an opportunity to hold a snap election for a new mandate we face a prospect of an election of a divided Tory Party v a divided Labour Party and the Lib Dems still suffering from their coalition nosedive. Any attempts to water down Brexit may give UKIP an open goal, it really is a disaster.
Biggest question now will be can enough Labour MPs move to breakaway and form a new SDP?...
Biggest question now will be can enough Labour MPs move to breakaway and form a new SDP?...
All the people who are ever going to support Corbyn are already signed up. Some will desert him, only takes a relatively small number of more moderate people to pay their £10 and it could change. I may join them.
May has said she won't call an election if she wins, to reassure Tory MPs that they will keep their salaries for a few more years.
The problem all the parties have is a lack of talent.
You have to feel that, although the moderates are loathe to do it, the "gang of four" route may be the only option, leaving Labour to the Socialist Worker's Party, Young Communists etc
What name will they choose if they split? New Labour is probably best avoided...
Join quick Stan.....I have just signed on the red dotted line.....
I am not sure you are right that all the Corbyn supporters have already signed up
I know 5 new ones that have signed on in the last 24 hrs....