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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. kiwiqpr

    kiwiqpr Barnsie Mod

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    IMF predicts stable growth after Britain's exit from EU


    Joel Hills Business and Economics Editor

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    The IMF predicts UK growth will 'stabilise'. Credit: PA
    The International Monetary Fund’s job is to worry about the state of national economies, to spot trouble on the horizon and, in extremis, provide support to countries who struggle in the form of emergency loans.

    Argentina is currently receiving bailout funding from the IMF, in the aftermath of the financial crisis Greece did too. It’s often forgotten that the UK requested its assistance in 1976.

    The IMF’s assessment of the UK prospects over next two year is relatively upbeat.

    It predicts that growth will “stabilise” at 1.4% in 2020 and 1% in 2021, weak by UK historical standards but growth none-the-less and stronger growth than the IMF is predicting for Germany, France and Japan.

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    Future growth will depend on the trading relationships we develop after Brexit. Credit: PA
    The forecast assumes “an orderly exit from the European Union at the end of January”, which feels like a safe bet “followed by a gradual transition to a new economic relationship” which doesn’t.

    Our future prosperity will be greatly influenced by the future trading relationship the government negotiates with the European Union, our largest trading partner, during the course of this year.

    How close the IMF expects that relationship to be isn’t clear but then the messages the government sends out are mixed. Before Christmas, the chancellor spoke of “an ambitious, deep, comprehensive” agreement.

    On Friday, in an interview with the FT, he urged businesses to “adjust” to a future where Britain no longer adhered to EU rules and regulations.

    Generally speaking, the looser the trading relationship, the more economic disruption and damage will be caused.

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    Chancellor Sajid Javid said businesses need to 'adjust' to a future without EU rules. Credit: PA
    The IMF has always seen Brexit as an act of economic self-harm and has repeatedly said as much.

    On the eve of the referendum in May 2016, Christine Lagarde, the then head of the IMF, declared that the consequences of Brexit would “pretty bad to very, very bad”.

    Her successor, Kristalina Georgieva, also believes Brexit will be “painful” for the UK and the EU and for countries who share close economic ties.

    The election result in December has shifted the narrative. Brexit will happen, the question now is what form it takes.

    As the IMF notes, the pound has risen since September as the perceived risk of a no-deal departure has diminished.

    The IMF has other things to agonise over besides the UK’s departure from the EU.

    China’s economy is slowing, other emerging economies are under-performing; violence has flared between the US and Iran; in Hong Kong and elsewhere social unrest rumbles on; the damaging trade dispute between US and China shows early signs of resolving but the US is threatening economic sanctions against France and has intensified action against the Chinese company Huawei in the name of national security.

    And then there’s climate change. The IMF explicitly links the frequency and intensity of extreme weather to climate change.

    Tropical storms, floods, heatwaves, droughts and wildfire cause human suffering and economic damage.

    “A continuation of the trends could inflict even bigger losses across more countries,” the IMF warns.

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    Violence in Hong Kong, among other world issues, is another priority for the IMF, aside from Brexit. Credit: AP
    As it stands, the IMF concludes that the risks today are “less skewed toward adverse outcomes” than they were in October but the but balance of risk “remains to the downside”.

    Only economists use tortured language like this.

    The message though is clear: it’s less gloomy than it was but there’s a lot to be anxious about.
     
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    votes have been counted

    Which strategy is going to overturn Brexit?
    11% Turning power off @ 11
    07% Refusing legal tender
    01% Sending letters to No 10
    81% Tweeting in a full nappy
     
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    I bet hes a gammon
     
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    Guy Verhoftwat (Parody)‏@GuyVerhoftwat Jan 26
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    Boris has now unleashed his hate coins on an unsuspecting public, masterminded by the far-right Javid.
    Every time you spend one, you become a little bit more racist.
    Refuse to use them.
    Give them to Brexiteers instead.
    Don't spread hate.
     
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    I think Labour would find it far more helpful to ask people that voted Conservative in the 'Red Wall' rather than their own members who supported a losing manifesto. Until they fully understand just how away with the fairies they were they'll simply repeat their mistakes...

     
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    just how much money is sloshing around in the uk at the moment

    treatment of 'pregnant men'
    • More than half a million pounds is spent on research on treatment of trans men
    • Many trans men (born female but who identify as male) do not undergo surgery
    • This means that some trans men are still able to conceive and carry a child
    By Dawn Thompson For The Mail On Sunday

    Published: 11:14 AEDT, 26 January 2020 | Updated: 11:36 AEDT, 26 January 2020





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    Hayden Cross was reported to be the UK’s first pregnant man and gave birth in 2017. Researchers intend to study the ‘practices, experiences, and healthcare needs’ of men who may seek to, or become, pregnant and give birth after gender transition

    More than £500,000 of taxpayers’ money is being spent on helping health chiefs improve the treatment of ‘pregnant men’.

    Many trans men – those born female but who now identify as male – do not undergo surgery to remove their female reproductive organs.

    By retaining their womb and ovaries, some are still able to conceive and carry a child.

    Researchers intend to study the ‘practices, experiences, and healthcare needs’ of men who may seek to, or become, pregnant and give birth after gender transition.

    They say it will benefit the public by increasing awareness of the issue.

    However, news of the study last night provoked a furious response from campaigners.

    Stephanie Davies-Arai, of Transgender Trend, said: ‘It’s an absolute waste of public money, a misappropriation of public funds, not just because the research is worthless, but it’s harmful in the message it sends. Men cannot get pregnant.’

    News of the funding comes at a time when there is fierce competition for grants to carry out medical research.

    The £502,251 of taxpayers’ money comes from the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC), part of the Government-funded quango UK Research and Innovation (UKRI).

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    Many trans men – those born female but who now identify as male – do not undergo surgery to remove their female reproductive organs. By retaining their womb and ovaries, some are still able to conceive and carry a child [File photo]

    Its website provides details of the project, led by Leeds University, under the heading Pregnant Men: An International Exploration Of Trans Male Experiences And Practices Of Reproduction. It says: ‘Many male transgender people (hereafter termed trans men) transition without undergoing surgery to remove their reproductive organs or reconstruct their genitals.

    ‘Gender transition from female to male, then, does not necessarily take away the ability or, importantly, the desire to reproduce. The overall aim of this project is to gain an in-depth understanding of the practices, experiences, and healthcare needs of the growing number of men who may seek to, or become, pregnant and give birth after gender transition.’

     
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    Identified at last,
    the blind Manchester cops that ignored the Muslim mass rapes of white girls.
    @patel4witham How can you let these get away without prosecution?

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    What a pillock!!
     
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    I hope Johnson does his best Churchill impression and you take to the streets in your Union Jack dungarees. What a glorious day and victory. It’s basically your generation’s VE Day.
     
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    I realise you hate anyone over 40, but I think you'll find I and others have said there shouldn't be any triumphant celebrations on the 31st.
    However, pillocks like Adonis and ****ing Hugh Grant need to take a reality check. This isn't the end of a country that has survived for over a thousand years without the protectionist help of our European friends.
    Boris should make a speech heralding a new era and that should be that.
    People that voted to remain, many of whom accepted the result and want to move on, shouldn't have their noses rubbed in it imo.

    Oh and comparing it to winning the 2nd world war is incredibly crass, even for immature you.
    Your condescending attitude to people of my generation and anyone who doesn't share your world view is exactly the same as Labour's currant inability to see why they're so unpopular outside the liberal, London bubble.
     
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    You shouldn’t be so modest, Col. You’ve fought for this.
     
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    So you don't think the UK has had help from it's European friends in the last century? Really <laugh>
    That thousand years you speak of the Romans, Saxons and Normans might disagree but never mind about all that, selective history is a lovely thing.
     
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    Exactly. They need to remember that there are voters who matter who live outside Islington and the warring diverse communities of inner London.
     
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    There have been plenty of Leave campaigners, including Johnson, who were happy to use war analogies when discussing Brexit over the last few years.
     
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    Kind of the point of my post, but don’t let Col know.
     
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    You can all download the European anthem and get it to No 1 this week if you don't want to celebrate or you can do a Lord Lucan like many on here that thought Jezza could win the GE. <laugh>
     
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